From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!briber-pc.eng.umd.edu!rbriber Wed Aug 4 11:14:17 PDT 1993 Article: 18416 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!briber-pc.eng.umd.edu!rbriber From: Robert Briber Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: [W] VR6 Manual Trans. problems -update Date: 2 Aug 1993 21:18:45 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <23k0bl$pjr@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: briber-pc.eng.umd.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 2 Aug 93 22:19:17 GMT An update on my VR6 Passat transmission (5 speed) problems: To re-aquaint anyone who's interested, among other probelms with the manual 5 speed transmission on my 93 Passat GLX (VR6 motor) I find myself shifting into reverse occassionally and it looks like reverse, feels like reverse but is actually 1st gear. I just received my car back from the dealer and they realigned the linkage. They said the linkage is now in complete alignment to VW specifications. Yet, I can still get 1st gear when the car seems like it's in reverse. I called VWoA and they said the next step is to set up an appointment to see the district service manager when he visits the dealer and demonstrate the problem to him. I mentioned I have been in contact with a few people (through a computer network) that have experienced the same problem (with a Passat GLX and a couple of Corrado SLCs). He said to mention this to the district service manager as he would surely be interested. I guess this will be the next step. I will let you all know. Over all the rep at VWoA was really distant and cool. Really seemed pretty bored by the whole thing. Rob rbriber@eng.umd.edu From lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!megatest!wabbott Tue May 24 18:09:58 PDT 1994 Article: 32667 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!megatest!wabbott From: wabbott@megatest.com (William Abbott) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Cadmium coated clutch spline? Message-ID: Organization: Megatest Corporation References: <2qou56$1vo@lynx.unm.edu> <2qt2he$3du@hecate.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 01:49:02 GMT Lines: 59 In article <2qt2he$3du@hecate.umd.edu> Robert M. Briber writes: >In article <2qld9a$sd9@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> , >jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com writes: >>same here, rattle in neutral, sometimes a crahing shift on 1-2 if i try >>and hurry the shift >> >>took it in to the dealer, and they tell me it's *normal* i've never >>heard of this cadmium splines thing, tell me more. i've gotten no recall >>notice about this. >> >>my car is a very early 93, by the way (has distributor, etc.) > >I have a 93 Passat GLX (also a very early model) which grinds >occasionally >between 1st and 2nd. It usually happens when I rush the 1st to 2nd >shift but sometimes it happens even when shifting slowly. When I >first got the car it was quite noticable and I took it to 2 dealers >about 4 times. [ snip ] > If anyone gets any other insight >to the nasty 1-2 shift, I'd love to hear about it. > >Rob >rbriber@eng.umd.edu I had an occasional crash when shifting into second- it developed at about 3K miles. I got a bit convulsive in pushing the clutch down and that didn't make it stop- maybe one crash a day or every other. So I took it to my dealer, Stan Antionio VW in Sunnyvale, CA, and told them what it was doing. They drove it, couldn't reproduce the problem, said that they guessed it was a cracked 2nd gear synchro and they'd fix it for me. They had me wait a week while they got in what they had heard was a new part with the same part number but thicker. They said that the transmission already had a synthetic gear oil and they put in new when they replaced the synchro. Which was indeed cracked when they got to it. This was last summer, and I've got 20512 miles on the car now- it never happened again. Let me make a quick plug for Stan Antonio VW, who are human like the rest of us but really do their best. I bought the car for $28,600, including tax and license and my late wifes 85 Golf as a $2K trade in. I probably could have gotten it for 1 or 2K less if I'd been an aggressive shopper, but I made a point of buying the car where I knew I could get good service. I have to pay VW's crazy prices for parts, but as long as I've got a warrantee, I at least know the work is being done by people who are competent. They went after the synchro based only on my *description* of the problem. I can't believe there are many other reasons for a crash when shifting from 1st to 2nd OTHER than a bad sychro. My VIN is blah-blah-5806, the stickers say the car was manufactured in November, 1992. Let me know how this turns out for you. Cheers! Bill Abbott Most widely published lie: 'Installation is the reverse of disassembly' From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Mon Jun 6 13:22:30 PDT 1994 Article: 33348 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hollysmac@aol.com (HollyS MAC) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: My Corrado is Kaput :( Date: 5 Jun 1994 21:06:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 24 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2stspq$mih@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com I just got back from my dealers lot. Thursday I had synthetic grae oil put in my "92 Corrado Vr6 because the first to second shift has never been smooth. Well I drove it Fri , Sat and Sunday and today my transmission blew spewing gear oil and "little , bitty pieces of my transmission. There is a hole in my bell housing. This will be the 2nd transmission rebuild in this car in 2 years and 29,000 miles. When the car had 5,000 on it the 2nd syncro ring snapped. The shift from 1st to 2nd has always been poor so I would say to all others that have been complaining of ths shifting BEWARE. What have your experiences been with your VR6 transmissions? ----- Holly G.McReynolds aa631@freenet.buffalo.edu (Holly G. McReynolds) hollysmac@Aol.com (HollyS Mac) 92 Corrado Vr6- My little Red Monster. I will walk where my own nature would be leading; it vexes me to choose another guide.- E. Bronte From lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!world!jhamill Mon Jun 6 13:22:50 PDT 1994 Article: 33349 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!uunet!world!jhamill From: jhamill@world.std.com (John A Hamill) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: My Corrado is Kaput :( Message-ID: Date: 6 Jun 94 01:52:56 GMT References: <2stspq$mih@search01.news.aol.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 20 In article <2stspq$mih@search01.news.aol.com> hollysmac@aol.com (HollyS MAC) writes: >I just got back from my dealers lot. Thursday I had synthetic grae >oil put in my "92 Corrado Vr6 because the first to second shift has >never been smooth. Well I drove it Fri , Sat and Sunday and today my >transmission blew spewing gear oil and "little , bitty pieces of my >transmission. There is a hole in my bell housing. > This will be the 2nd transmission rebuild in this car in 2 years and >29,000 miles. When the car had 5,000 on it the 2nd syncro ring >snapped. >The shift from 1st to 2nd has always been poor so I would say to all >others that have been complaining of ths shifting BEWARE. > >What have your experiences been with your VR6 transmissions? I had to have mine rebuilt at 15k miles. Second gear broke and internally spewed metal over all the other gears, resulting in a complete rebuild. I had it rebuilt at Brookline VW, they did a fine job, and it was ok after that. Former 92 SLC owner From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news1.digex.net!access1!mclement Mon Jun 6 13:30:38 PDT 1994 Article: 33363 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news1.digex.net!access1!mclement From: mclement@access1.digex.net (Matt Clement) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: My Corrado is Kaput :( Date: 6 Jun 1994 09:50:22 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <2stspq$mih@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net hollysmac@aol.com (HollyS MAC) writes: >What have your experiences been with your VR6 transmissions? I have a Corrado SLC, and my experience with it has been that it has always been rough between first and second... I've always chalked this up to the fact that a) VW Boxes are traditionally clunky and b) unlike in my Mercedes, the 1st/2nd gear pattern in VW is not a straight line. I've found that with a light touch, the transition isn't bad at all. I am still waiting for Neuspeed to put out the weight for the shift (forget the technical term, but it shortens the throw)... I put this in my Golf GTI and it improves shift performance 100%. As far as your gearbox troubles go, I've noticed that VW boxes are rather fragile... -- Matt mclement@access.digex.net From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!mitl-mac-23.stanford.edu!user Wed Jul 6 18:40:20 PDT 1994 Article: 35109 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!mitl-mac-23.stanford.edu!user From: hiren@leland.stanford.edu (Hiren R. Patel) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Followup-To: rec.autos.vw Date: 6 Jul 1994 19:18:01 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mitl-mac-23.stanford.edu In article , tapioca@dollars.corp.sgi.com (Scott Takaoka) wrote: > I just noticed this newsgroup a few days ago so this is my first post. > Anyway, I wanted to poll all the Corrado G60 owners out there about any > shifting problems. On my '90 Corrado, I have never been satisfied with the > shift linkage/transmission. On shifting from 1st to 2nd, it grinds > occasionally. It usually occurs when I do a quicker than normal shift. The > only way I can guarantee that it will not grind it by slightly pausing in > neutral before completing the shift into second. I notice an occasional grind from 1st to 2nd, as well. Also, 1st to R sometimes grinds a bit, too. Anyone else finding this with their Corrado? Hiren From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!news.intercon.com!news1.digex.net!access3!mclement Wed Jul 6 18:42:38 PDT 1994 Article: 35111 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!news.intercon.com!news1.digex.net!access3!mclement From: mclement@access3.digex.net (Matt Clement) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Date: 6 Jul 1994 15:07:56 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: access3.digex.net tapioca@dollars.corp.sgi.com (Scott Takaoka) writes: >I just noticed this newsgroup a few days ago so this is my first post. >Anyway, I wanted to poll all the Corrado G60 owners out there about any >shifting problems. On my '90 Corrado, I have never been satisfied with the >shift linkage/transmission. On shifting from 1st to 2nd, it grinds >occasionally. It usually occurs when I do a quicker than normal shift. The >only way I can guarantee that it will not grind it by slightly pausing in >neutral before completing the shift into second. This is a "problem" with all VW shifts -- it is not a standard shift pattern. That is to say, second gear is not directly below first, but is slightly to the right. This means that the 1-2-3 shift pattern is in a V shape. If you are trying to pull straight back, you're very likely to get the grinding sound. I've found that the lighter I pull on the stick, the easier the 1-2 shift. >I don't think it is a bad synchro because it doesn't do it all the time. >Perhaps it only happens if I start to shift before the clutch is fully >disengaged, but I am not certain. Can anyone help me with this problem? Are >there any shift kits that will take care of this problem? Does changing the >oil to a synthetic or something other than stock, improve the problem? Changing the oil won't do much for you, I'm afraid. The only aftermarket kit that will help is the Neuspeed tranny weight, but I don't believe they make it for the G60... Anyone else have updated info on this? -- Matt mclement@access.digex.net From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!cm28.eng.umd.edu!rbriber Wed Jul 6 18:54:43 PDT 1994 Article: 35125 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!cm28.eng.umd.edu!rbriber From: rbriber@glue.umd.edu (Robert M. Briber) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Date: 6 Jul 1994 21:33:22 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2vf7v2$rmr@umd5.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cm28.eng.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Matt Clement (mclement@access3.digex.net) wrote: : This is a "problem" with all VW shifts -- it is not a standard shift pattern. : That is to say, second gear is not directly below first, but is slightly : to the right. This means that the 1-2-3 shift pattern is in a V shape. If : you are trying to pull straight back, you're very likely to get the grinding : sound. : I've found that the lighter I pull on the stick, the easier the 1-2 shift. : Changing the oil won't do much for you, I'm afraid. The only aftermarket : kit that will help is the Neuspeed tranny weight, but I don't believe they : make it for the G60... Anyone else have updated info on this? The Corrado and Passat have a cable linkage mechanism which is distinctly different than the A1/A2/III type cars. The mechanism is not amenable to short throw linkages or the Neuspeed tranny weight. VW did put a counter weight on the VR6 cars to improve the feel. I think the problem is different than one finds in the Golf/Jetta type transmissions. I remember that European Car mag mentioned the 1st->2nd shift problem in a recent article on the Corrado. They didn't propose a fix, just noted that it was a problem "known" to them. Rob rbriber@eng.umd.edu From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!mercury.wright.edu!desire.wright.edu!jdonsbac Wed Jul 6 18:58:43 PDT 1994 Article: 35134 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!mercury.wright.edu!desire.wright.edu!jdonsbac Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Message-ID: <1994Jul6.180512.23844@desire.wright.edu> From: jdonsbac@msi.com (Jeff Donsbach) Date: 6 Jul 94 18:05:12 EST References: <2vf2h7$cvl@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc., Burlington, MA Nntp-Posting-Host: thyroid.msi.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Lines: 18 Add me to the list of G60 owners with occasional 1st->2nd shift problems. Like others have said, I mostly get the problem when trying to shift quickly. As it has gotten older, it has also gotten harder to shift. My wife, who injured her wrist when she was rear-ended last year, can't even drive my car anymore because it's too hard for her to shift. The Corrado owners's manual says that the tranny fluid is "lifetime" synthetic. They don't define how long "lifetime" is. At 121k, should I be thinking about changing it at my next servicing? -Jeff -- ========================= Jeff Donsbach Molecular Simulations,Inc., 16 New England Executive Park, Burlington, MA 01803 Internet Email: jdonsbach@MSI.Com '90 Corrado G60, 121k miles '92 Passat GL (16v), 21.5k miles From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thu Jul 7 08:53:35 PDT 1994 Article: 35146 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hollysmac@aol.com (HollyS MAC) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Date: 7 Jul 1994 00:15:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 27 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <2vfvg6$1nf@search01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article , hiren@leland.stanford.edu (Hiren R. Patel) writes: > I notice an occasional grind from 1st to 2nd, as well. Also, 1st to R > sometimes grinds a bit, too. Anyone else finding this with their > Corrado? This is the main reason I just traded my "92 Corrado SLC for a 325is BMW. It went through 2 transmissions --one at 7,000 mi and one at 30,000 miles. I have owned VW s since 1967 and never had a transmission go before. This is our family's 12 th VW and my 7th personally. The first time the 2nd gear syncro ring went and VWOA payed for a rebuild. the 2nd time the whole box went and left a hole in the BEll Housing. It also took the clutch with it. The box has never been right and my dealer said VW would only give me a new transmission it it weas completely shot. All I can say is be careful and hope if something happens it happens before 50,000 when the warrenty runs out. I'll miss my Corrado but I'll not buy one while they are still using that lame cable shifter. ----- Holly G.McReynolds aa631@freenet.buffalo.edu (Holly G. McReynolds) hollysmac@Aol.com (HollyS Mac) I will walk where my own nature would be leading; it vexes me to choose another guide.- E. Bronte From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail Mon Jul 11 13:21:42 PDT 1994 Article: 35193 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!dtix.dt.navy.mil!oasys.dt.navy.mil!not-for-mail From: cavalier@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leonard Cavalier) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Date: 7 Jul 1994 16:25:45 -0400 Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2vhocaINNoes@oasys.dt.navy.mil> References: Reply-To: cavalier@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leonard Cavalier) NNTP-Posting-Host: oasys.dt.navy.mil In rec.autos.vw, tapioca@dollars.corp.sgi.com (Scott Takaoka) writes: >shifting problems. On my '90 Corrado, I have never been satisfied with the >shift linkage/transmission. On shifting from 1st to 2nd, it grinds >occasionally. It usually occurs when I do a quicker than normal shift. The I too have had some problems shifting from 1st to 2nd on my '93 Corrado SLC. Occasionally I get a grinding or crashing when shifting into 2nd from 1st. So far it has not happened when downshifting from 3rd to 2nd. Although it seems to happen more when I am in more of a hurry and shifting more rapidly (i.e., trying to accelerate faster than usual, but nothing outrageous), I am still not convinced it isn't a random occurrence. It may just be that when I am in the "more of a hurry" situation I am also shifting 1st to 2nd more frequently within a given time span (city traffic) and therefore more likely to encounter the next randomly spaced occurrence of the shifting problem. I would rule out a clutch problem in my case, because the problem happens only on 1st to 2nd shifting, and when it does happen the trans does go into 2nd gear ok and with no special effort, despite the fanfare. If the occurrence is truly random, that would point to the cracked 2nd gear synchro others have reported, since the meshing of synchros at some fixed spot, for example the spot where the 2nd gear synchro is cracked) would be a random event. I have reported the problem to my friendly neighborhood VW dealer, noting that it was occasional. Of course, in test driving the car (probably running errands in it all day - which is one reason I hate to bring in a car with such a report) they could not duplicate the problem and therefore could not fix it. But then again, they also claimed to not hear a rear suspension squeak which was painfully obvious to me (while I'm at it, they also overfilled the oil for the second time, this time by a full quart!) Oh, well, I guess I'll have to wait until the transmission is squawking almost constantly so the VW shop dopes can hear it! Or maybe a better VW dealer would help. Sorry, wishful thinking again. - Lenny Cavalier From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!swrinde!dptspd!ephsa!bimmer93 Tue Jul 12 13:20:27 PDT 1994 Article: 35429 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!swrinde!dptspd!ephsa!bimmer93 From: bimmer93@ephsa.sat.tx.us (Chris King) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Shifting problems for '90 G60 Message-ID: Date: 12 Jul 94 14:43:38 GMT References: Sender: news@ephsa.sat.tx.us Distribution: na Organization: Rivercity Matrix -- San Antonio, Texas Lines: 33 hiren@leland.stanford.edu (Hiren R. Patel) writes: > Here's my 2" about shifting problems I've noticed in my '90 G60: > > 1) A rare "crunch" sound made when I shift from N to R. It seems to > happen at random times, with no regular pattern. > > 2) Occasional difficulty shifting from R back to N. I literally get STUCK > in R. I've found, however, that when this happens, I'm able to easily slip > into N again if I back up the car a tiny bit more. This isn't too big of a > deal, except when parallel parking on streets of San Francisco! > > Any other '90 Corrado drivers experiencing this, too? > > Hiren I have always had the same two things happen on my '90 G60, as well. The crunching noise when shifting from N to R seems to happen more if I am on a steep incline. Sounds like the tranny is about to fall out, it always wakes me up :) The difficulty in shifting from R to N doesn't happen to me as much, but when it does, I do the same thing you do. Let the car go back a little more, then the shifter pops right into N. All in all, I have grown accustomed to this. After seeing how the car mags always trash the Corrado shift linkage, I figured this was normal. Chris -- bimmer93@ephsa.sat.tx.us (Chris King) Rivercity Matrix -- +1 (210) 561-9815/21 -- San Antonio, Texas From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!bajoran.emba.uvm.edu!pinder2 Mon Aug 1 14:47:38 PDT 1994 Article: 35875 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!bajoran.emba.uvm.edu!pinder2 From: pinder2@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Justin Pinder) Subject: Re: Shifting problems for '90 G60 Message-ID: <1994Jul19.211907.25747@emba.uvm.edu> Originator: pinder2@bajoran.emba.uvm.edu Sender: news@emba.uvm.edu Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, University of Vermont References: <774414787snz@g4udt.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:19:07 GMT Lines: 23 >From article <774414787snz@g4udt.demon.co.uk>, by Yves@g4udt.demon.co.uk (Yves Remedios): > In article <117309@cup.portal.com> shred@cup.portal.com "Hans E Hohenner" writes: > >> :Here's my 2 about shifting problems I've noticed in my '90 G60: >> >> Since then, I have not had any problems... except 2nd can be touchy >> when cold. >> > I would suggest changing the gearbox oil to synthetic as the "2nd when cold" > is a common problem with Golf gearboxes and this is the fix recommended > by the manufacturer. Strange -- but recently, I've had no trouble shifting my Corrado G60. I haven't noticed any substantial change in the weather (it's about 80 degrees and relatively humid).. The only thing I can think of is that I've been running the air conditioner a lot lately. My past experience has been trouble shifting in/out of reverse and sometimes first gear. Cheers, Justin From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal.com!portal!cup.portal.com!shred Thu Jul 14 18:21:19 PDT 1994 Article: 35607 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!portal.com!portal!cup.portal.com!shred From: shred@cup.portal.com (Hans E Hohenner) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Shifting problems for '90 G60 Message-ID: <117309@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 16:24:41 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: Lines: 28 :Here's my 2¢ about shifting problems I've noticed in my '90 G60: :1) A rare "crunch" sound made when I shift from N to R. It seems to :happen at random times, with no regular pattern. On my '90 G60, I notice that unless I let the engine rev ALL the way down, like 900 rpm, the gears grind when I shift into reverse. This is especially true when it's cold. :2) Occasional difficulty shifting from R: back to N. I literally get STUCK :in R. I've found, however, that when this happens, I'm able to easily slip :into N again if I back up the car a tiny bit more. This isn't too big of a :deal, except when parallel parking on streets of San Francisco! When I bought the car, after the test drive at the dealer, and after all the price wars, paperwork, etc, I went to drive it home, and the thing would not get out of first. I turned right around and threw a tantrum at the salesman - ended up getting a red 911 turbo for the weekend while they replaced the linkage. Man, me and that 911 went about 1500 miles that weekend ... Since then, I have not had any problems... except 2nd can be touchy when cold. Any other '90 Corrado drivers experiencing this, too? Hans Hohenner shred@cup.portal.com From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!bajoran.emba.uvm.edu!pinder2 Thu Jul 14 13:32:38 PDT 1994 Article: 35572 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!bajoran.emba.uvm.edu!pinder2 From: pinder2@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Justin Pinder) Subject: Re: Shifting problems for '90 G60 Message-ID: <1994Jul14.160041.2080@emba.uvm.edu> Originator: pinder2@bajoran.emba.uvm.edu Sender: news@emba.uvm.edu Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, University of Vermont References: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 16:00:41 GMT Lines: 24 >From article , by hiren@leland.stanford.edu (Hiren R. Patel): > Here's my 2¢ about shifting problems I've noticed in my '90 G60: > > 1) A rare "crunch" sound made when I shift from N to R. It seems to > happen at random times, with no regular pattern. > > 2) Occasional difficulty shifting from R back to N. I literally get STUCK > in R. I've found, however, that when this happens, I'm able to easily slip > into N again if I back up the car a tiny bit more. This isn't too big of a > deal, except when parallel parking on streets of San Francisco! > > Any other '90 Corrado drivers experiencing this, too? Yep -- sounds exactly identical to my problem. Sometimes I have trouble shifting into reverse on the first shift (and randomly thereafter). Then, once I get it into reverse, I have trouble getting it OUT of reverse and into first. I guess some people recommend synthetic tranny oils, but ... then again, some people said they're not worth it. Cheers, Justin -- '90 Corrado G60 - 48k From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!g4udt.demon.co.uk!Yves Sun Jul 17 11:48:14 PDT 1994 Article: 35719 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw From: Yves@g4udt.demon.co.uk (Yves Remedios) Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!g4udt.demon.co.uk!Yves Subject: Re: Shifting problems for '90 G60 References: <117309@cup.portal.com> Organization: Wembley near London Reply-To: Yves@g4udt.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 12 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 03:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <774414787snz@g4udt.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <117309@cup.portal.com> shred@cup.portal.com "Hans E Hohenner" writes: > :Here's my 2 about shifting problems I've noticed in my '90 G60: > > Since then, I have not had any problems... except 2nd can be touchy > when cold. > I would suggest changing the gearbox oil to synthetic as the "2nd when cold" is a common problem with Golf gearboxes and this is the fix recommended by the manufacturer. -- Yves Remedios From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!beacon.dev.com!agora!parsely!sopwith!snoopy Thu Aug 11 13:10:04 PDT 1994 Article: 37018 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!beacon.dev.com!agora!parsely!sopwith!snoopy From: snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy) Subject: Corrado synchros Message-ID: <1994Aug6.025917.253@sopwith.uucp> Organization: The Daisy Hill Puppy Farm References: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 02:59:17 GMT Lines: 46 In article tapioca@dollars.corp.sgi.com (Scott Takaoka) writes: | Anyway, I wanted to poll all the Corrado G60 owners out there about any | shifting problems. On my '90 Corrado, I have never been satisfied with the | shift linkage/transmission. On shifting from 1st to 2nd, it grinds | occasionally. It usually occurs when I do a quicker than normal shift. The | only way I can guarantee that it will not grind it by slightly pausing in | neutral before completing the shift into second. | | I don't think it is a bad synchro because it doesn't do it all the time. Sounds like a weak/bad synchro to me. I'm beginning to think that most/all Corrados (both G60 and VR6) have weak/bad synchros. Okay, think about what happens when you shift from first to second. The engine is spinning fast, wheels are turning a certain speed, then you shift gears, now the engine is spinning slower, with the wheels still spinning at the same speed. The engine-side of the transmission has to slow down so that the gears will mesh at the new gear ratio. This can happen two ways: 1 - you can wait the correct amount of time for friction to slow down the engine-side of the trans, and 2 - the syncromesh can do it. If you try to move the gear-shift faster than the syncros can do their thing... CRUNCH! On some cars, the trans will resist the movement until the speeds match, from what I can tell, Corrado transmissions don't have this feature. :-( The gear ratios get closer together as you go up, so you need to wait a shorter amount of time for the 4-5 shift than you do for the 1-2 shift. When downshifting, you have to get the engine-side of the transmission to spin *faster* than it was before. Push in the clutch pedal, shift to neutral, clutch out, blip throttle, clutch in, shift into lower gear. This leads to the heel-and-toe-double-clutch downshift if you want to brake at the same time. This is easier in some cars than others, depending on how the pedals are set up. Nice in a BMW, horrid in a Rabbit. My Corrado has so much torque I rarely need to downshift. :-) So, can anyone shift their Corrado quickly without complaints from the trans? _____ /_____\ Snoopy The government is not your mommy. /_______\ |___| qiclab.scn.rain.com!sopwith!snoopy |___| {ares,chip,parsely,pyrnoevil,sequent}!sopwith!snoopy From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thu Aug 11 13:35:33 PDT 1994 Article: 37133 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: monster16v@aol.com (MONSTER16V) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado synchros Date: 8 Aug 1994 11:28:06 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 7 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <325iu6$eh7@search01.news.aol.com> References: <31vrmt$63d@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article <31vrmt$63d@search01.news.aol.com>, drbob27@aol.com (Drbob27) writes: According to Aaron Neuman at APS it seems that all corrados he's seen have this problem. He said he's not sure of the cause but the only way to deal with it is to not speed shift. I don't have a corrado but I just thought I'd pass that along. From lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!dollars.corp.sgi.com!tapioca Wed Jul 6 13:01:07 PDT 1994 Article: 35103 of rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ames!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!odin!dollars.corp.sgi.com!tapioca From: tapioca@dollars.corp.sgi.com (Scott Takaoka) Subject: Corrado shift linkage/transmission Message-ID: Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Nntp-Posting-Host: dollars.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 15:56:54 GMT Lines: 19 I just noticed this newsgroup a few days ago so this is my first post. Anyway, I wanted to poll all the Corrado G60 owners out there about any shifting problems. On my '90 Corrado, I have never been satisfied with the shift linkage/transmission. On shifting from 1st to 2nd, it grinds occasionally. It usually occurs when I do a quicker than normal shift. The only way I can guarantee that it will not grind it by slightly pausing in neutral before completing the shift into second. I don't think it is a bad synchro because it doesn't do it all the time. Perhaps it only happens if I start to shift before the clutch is fully disengaged, but I am not certain. Can anyone help me with this problem? Are there any shift kits that will take care of this problem? Does changing the oil to a synthetic or something other than stock, improve the problem? Thanks in advance, Scott -- ¾ïùýù From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms!cerc.wvu.edu!decws3!ja Fri Jul 15 12:42:08 PDT 1994 Article: 35644 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms!cerc.wvu.edu!decws3!ja Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: WHEEL BEARINGS FINAL TIME & G60 PROBS Message-ID: From: ja@coe.wvu.edu (John Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 04:04:49 GMT Sender: ja@decws3 (John Anderson) Organization: WVU MAE Keywords: wheel bearings Nntp-Posting-Host: decws3.coe.wvu.edu Lines: 50 OK, THIS IS THE FINAL WORD if you dont believe just call the number below. YOU CAN RENT THE WHEEL BEARING REMOVAL/INSTALLATION TOOL from THE PARTS PLACE, INC. 2300 N. OPDYKE RD. AUBURN HILLS, MI 48326 (313) 373-2300 FAX (313) 373-5950 The last time I rented it the price was $20.00 for two weeks but you must put down a $200.00 deposit, $180.00 of which is promptly refunded on the tools return. These prices were good in mid 1993 and I doubt they have changed very much. Of course as I mention in my previous posting the job requires some good size wrenches and a little hard work. It may be a better idea to take your hubs off and have the bearings pressed out by a machine shop and it might be a good idea to buy the tool if you have $170.00 burning a hole in your pocket or intend to do 8 or 9 sets of bearings (of course if you can get your local car club to spring for it why not?) Since everyone else is griping about their Corrado transmissions here is my $0.02. Before buying I test drove a couple other G60's most with 50k-60k miles. Two of them exhibited the impossible to shift from R back to N problem. If you backed up slightly they would. I bought a very clean 1990 with 27500 miles, ABS, and heated seats and was very happy. I test drove it a couple of times had my mechanic look at it and verified a countless number of times that it shifted smoothly particularly from R to N. Well now at 35500 miles guess what, the N to 1 shift is getting balky and a couple of times the R to N has hung up. I truly believe the N to 1 is a vague cable linkage problem but am not so sure about the R to N thing. Occasionally I also get the growl when shifting from N to R in the morning but think this usually occurs when the engine management has revved the engine and I shift before it has settled back to idle. Anyway I want to rectify this while I still have some powertrain warranty (fortunately my in service date was Jan 1991 so I have plenty of time and a little milage). I intend to change to Spectro GL1 oil after good results with it helping worn syncros in my old 1986 Quantum Syncro. Any opinions on this would be appreciated John Anderson ja@coe.wvu.edu 1990 Corrado, 1976 Transporter have owned or driven 1978 Rabbit diesel, 1973 Transporter, 1986 Vanagon, and 1986 Quantum Syncro the Quantum was the best of the lot combining size, OK power, great torque, and simply incredible road grabbing power particularly in the wet or snow, unfortunately simply incredible parts prices as well care of VWoA usually the only supplier. Any opinions? Anybody want to trade one with low miles? From lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Thu Aug 18 12:30:11 PDT 1994 Article: 37855 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hollysmac@aol.com (HollyS MAC) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Corrado smell like gas/problems Date: 18 Aug 1994 09:51:02 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 42 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <32vp06$6aq@search01.news.aol.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com In article , raysam@microsoft.com (Raymond Sam) writes: > My 93 Corrado smells (real bad) of gas everytime I start it after > letting it sit for some time. ---- There was a recall on my former '92 Corrado for a faulty clamp on the gas lines. Contact your dealer. > Also, on occasion, when I downshift to 2nd gear, the transmission slips > resulting in an awful "crunching" sound. ---- There have been troubles with the Corrado gear box. There have been reports of synthetic gear oil and very very slow shifting helping. Unfortunately mine failed for the 2nd time 2 days after I had the new gear oil put in. VW needs to come up with a solution . My dealer said that mine is not the only gear box that they have replaced and A friend of mine that is the shop manager of the other VW place has also rebuilt Corrado gear boxes. Now I know that some of you will say things about my driving style;but I have I am 50 years old and have driven VWs since 1965 . I also owned an MGA for 10 years gear box intact. I have Never had a gear box or clutch fail before. I no longer have my Corrado; but those of you who do need to put much pressure on VW to fix this. It is not acceptable on a car this wonderful and expensive to have such a serious weakness. My gear boxes were covered under warrenty; but you all may have your gear boxes fail when you are responsible for the repair. Both the dealer and VWOA were very responsive warrenty wise; but I was without my wonderful car 2.5 months in 2.5 years. The car had only 30,000 miles on it when I traded it. BTW I still would buy a VW . They are wonderful cars. --- Holly G.McReynolds hollysmac@Aol.com (HollyS Mac) aa631@freenet.buffalo.edu (Holly G. McReynolds) 94 BMW 325is- My Little Red Dancer :) "91 Jetta Gli 16v >I will walk where my own nature would be leading; >it vexes me to choose another guide.- E. Bronte From lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!mmount-138.umd.edu!rbriber Thu May 12 12:52:26 PDT 1994 Article: 32059 of rec.autos.vw Path: lynx.unm.edu!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!mmount-138.umd.edu!rbriber From: Robert M. Briber Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Cadmium coated clutch spline? Date: 12 May 1994 11:05:18 GMT Organization: University of Maryland Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2qt2he$3du@hecate.umd.edu> References: <2qou56$1vo@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mmount-138.umd.edu X-UserAgent: Version 1.1.3 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 12 May 94 11:08:40 GMT In article <2qld9a$sd9@locutus.rchland.ibm.com> , jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com writes: >same here, rattle in neutral, sometimes a crahing shift on 1-2 if i try >and hurry the shift > >took it in to the dealer, and they tell me it's *normal* i've never >heard of this cadmium splines thing, tell me more. i've gotten no recall >notice about this. > >my car is a very early 93, by the way (has distributor, etc.) I have a 93 Passat GLX (also a very early model) which grinds occasionally between 1st and 2nd. It usually happens when I rush the 1st to 2nd shift but sometimes it happens even when shifting slowly. When I first got the car it was quite noticable and I took it to 2 dealers about 4 times. They kept readjusting the shifter which didn't help at all and usually just made it hard to find 1st or reverse. Eventually I told the dealer where I bought the car I wanted to see the VW rep in person next time he stopped by the dealer. The dealer ended up calling me back and telling me that the rep authorized a transmission rebuild, which they did, replacing synchros, etc. I had them put in the VW synthetic gear oil at the same time. It seemed to be fine for about 1 month but then it started doing it again. My most recent thought is that maybe it is clutch related rather than synchros. My recommendation is to have the dealer put in the VW synthetic gear oil and see if that helps. The oil is kind of expensive (~$35-40 to fill the tranny) and they will probably make you pay for it (they did for me). If anyone gets any other insight to the nasty 1-2 shift, I'd love to hear about it. Rob rbriber@eng.umd.edu From loik@ece.uci.edu Thu Oct 6 13:58 PDT 1994 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA05260; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:58:12 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from fshpp1 (fshpp1.ug.eds.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HHYIN9X0F4000CAV@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:57:09 PDT Received: from camhpp49 by fshpp1 with SMTP (16.8/16.2) id AA05193; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:57:47 -0700 Received: from mailer.ug.eds.com by camhpp49.ug.eds.com with SMTP (1.38.193.3/16.2) id AA12243; Thu, 6 Oct 94 13:57:37 -0700 Received: from balboa.eng.uci.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.2-11 #4) id <01HHYIMTY240000EKI@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:56:48 PDT Received: by balboa.eng.uci.edu id AA29592 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jan@camhpp49.ug.eds.com); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:56:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matias Loikkanen Subject: VW Tech SB To: jan@camhpp49 (vwjan) Message-Id: <199410062056.AA29592@balboa.eng.uci.edu> X-Envelope-To: jan@fshpp1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi, Just wondering about the following two items you listed from a Tech Service Bulletin. Are these similar to a recall? -- will they do the fix if I just bring it in? I have a '92 SLC with shifting problems: hard to get into gear if left in neutral for a moment before trying to put into gear during a gear change. Most notably, shifting from 3rd to 2nd going around a corner -- a throttle blip is required most of the time in order for it to go into gear. Is one (both) of the following related to this (i.e. will it fix the problem? Did they really have a '91 SLC (re: the second item below), or did you mean '92? Any info is appreciated? BTW, where does one get a hold of these TSB's? 90-9x? Corrado/Passat/Golf/GTI/Jetta/Cabriolet/Vanagon: V30-93-04: Shifting difficulties - 020, 02A & 025 Manual Transmission Clutch disk binding on spline ==> dragging. Replace clutch with Cadmium coated spline. 91 Corrado SLC/VR6, Passat V34-92-04: 5 Speed Transmission 02A Gearshift Mechanism Modified All transmissions as of 03 09 1 have the new mechanism (which includes the counter weight). Old cars except for the G60 can be upgraded. Thanks, Mat -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mat Loikkanen University of California, Irvine loik@ece.uci.edu Dept. of Elect. and Computer Egr. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!library.erc.clarkson.edu!crystal!jet Wed Oct 12 13:07:17 PDT 1994 Article: 21838 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1 08/24/93 VAX/VMS V1.5; site cc.usu.edu Path: cc.usu.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!library.erc.clarkson.edu!crystal!jet Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: 84 GTI Shifting...B-( Message-ID: <37ghhg$k5p@library.erc.clarkson.edu> From: jet@crystal.clarkson.edu (Jeff Thompson) Date: 12 Oct 1994 11:33:04 GMT References: <37ehor$i19@csi0.csi.UOttawa.CA> Organization: Clarkson University NNTP-Posting-Host: crystal.mie.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 27 michael dobbs (micro bio) (g055837@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca) wrote: : I get gear clash when shifting from 1st to 2nd. This usually happens the : first few times I shift after starting the car.....but not always. Also, : it's only every-so-often that it happens. Is this a sign of a dying clutch : (car has 160,000 km)? Or, does the clutch cable need adjusting? Usually that is the sound of a dying synchro, especially if it only tends to grind on cold days. Switching to synthetic transmission fluid can make it happen less, and paying careful attention for the first few shifts can keep it from getting worse. 2nd gear usually goes first because it is the most "abused" gear. When the tranny is cold and you start moving the second gear synchro is the one that takes the hit. By the time you shift to 3rd, the fluid has been moved around enough that that synchro isn't "frozen" to the shaft with cold fluid. The cumulative abuse can make the synchro feel like it is welded to the shaft and then you will learn how to double-clutch to second. BTW, all the above knowledge was aquired from a 73 BMW 2002 and an 85 Jeep Cherokee. Both had about 85-90 k miles on them when the second gear thing started. The VW only has 55,000 so it doesn't grind yet. Jeff : Mike. Dear Kurt Thomas, Here are the results from my survey on the internet on VW Corrado transmission problems (02A trannys because we also got a few reports from Canada with G60 Passats). There are roughly 164 Corrado users signed up on the corrado-l@teleport.com list. Some of the replies also came from the rec.autos.vw newsgroup. I received about 50 replies of which 36 were directly relevant. Of these 36, 31 had problems with their 02A transmission, 5 did not report any problems, and for two it's either occasional or unknown (note, some of the people that reported had or have more than one Corrado). The geographic distribution of this study was USA & Canada. I dismissed problems with reverse because they are not synchronized and therefore apt to crunch at times. The conclusion is that roughly 85% of owners who reported with 02A transmission in their cars have experienced one problem or another. Here is a summary: name/email name Problem with 02A trannys -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy occasional Art Barabell yes BBSXanadu@aol.com yes Brett Shelton no Brian Dunning no Brian J White yes Brian P O'Neill yes Dennis J. Dombrosky yes Eric Shelkie yes Francesco Catanzaro yes Greg Campbell unknown HAPPIG@aol.com yes Hulda Jowett yes on his G60, yes on his SLC Jan Vandenbrande yes on both cars (SLC & G60) Jim Millick yes on the 92 SLC, no his 94 slc John Anderson yes John Denny yes John Hamill yes on his G60, yes on his SLC John Leipsic yes Kurt Wiedenhoeft yes Leonard Cavalier yes Mark Komosa yes Matias Loikkanen yes Matthew Jelavic yes Michael C Voorhis no Paul Kendal yes Peter K. Trumper yes Richard W Gee no (1st) Scott Stiles yes Shel Bercovich yes Steve Sugiyama yes (G60 Passat, Canada) Steven M. Kosloske yes (shift link adjustment) Syed Fouzi Husaini yes (1st == reverse) UniqueVR6@aol.com no except 1st gear drbob27@aol.com no lewin@vgi.com no ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com From bbs.ug.eds.com!nntp2.cerf.net!louie.disney.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news Sun Aug 20 17:15:21 PDT 1995 Article: 2865 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V6.1; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!nntp2.cerf.net!louie.disney.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Questions for fellow Corrado G60 Owners Message-ID: <40rr6r$rf0$1@mhafm.production.compuserve.com> From: Randy Tomlinson <76412.3441@CompuServe.COM> Date: 16 Aug 1995 04:12:11 GMT References: <40pik7$jas@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 14 Don't expect too much reliability with your Corrado. That's just the price you pay for enjoying a VW. I've had to replace the radiator fan, battery, battery cables, a wheel bearing, the catalytic converter and muffler, in addition to normal items like brake pads. This is after 75K miles. Under warranty, the ox sensor was replaced, 3rd and 4th gear synchronizers were replaced, and the computer was replaced. The car is pretty good when running properly. Throw away the VW chip. An Autothority Chip makes a great improvement. After market cam helps a little. Free flowing exhaust helps some above 5500 rpm. Eventually it is possible to get all the power out of this engine that it SHOULD have had to begin with. (Changing pulley's not recommended--marginal power increases, short supercharger life, noise) From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jun 2 18:54 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA28695; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:54:38 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8OLVC0IO004QQX@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA00753 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:46:57 -0700 Received: from mailer (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00732 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:46:51 -0700 Received: from camhpp49.ug.eds.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8OE2TMUO003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 18:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24004; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:48:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 18:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Cc: rec-autos-vw@cs.utexas.edu Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is a quick survey: 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. From gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca Fri Jun 2 20:16 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29262; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:16:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ug (ug.cs.dal.ca) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8RFQZRGG004SWG@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 20:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ug.cs.dal.ca id <335>; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:13:45 -0300 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 00:13:44 -0300 From: Andy Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey (fwd) To: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) Message-Id: <95Jun3.001345adt.335@ug.cs.dal.ca> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1624 Status: RO > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado Only when I try to shift really fast and if does make a noise its very brief. > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). its a 90 G60 > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? Don't know, bought the car used last year with 50,000 Km > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? N/A > 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? N/A > 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? N/A > 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). N/A > 7) How often did you complain about this problem? N/A > 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Andrew Gajewski / N/A at this time (car in Canada) > > Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). > > Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. > > -- > o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien > \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" > (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. > -- --. \/ .----------#####**********] Corrado & GTI FUN-atic (Don't o \o --.\/\/.---G60----#####**********] forget to bike,ski,windsurf, ,-\ \-- ---....-----------#####**********] sail) gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca 0\-0 \/ See the Corrado WWW Page at: http://ug.cs.dal.ca/~gajewski/corrado.html \. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jun 2 20:31 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29374; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:31:06 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8RYG8QBK0054YQ@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA13735 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:22:36 -0700 Received: from henge1.henge.com (root@henge1.henge.com [204.144.151.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13728 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:22:33 -0700 Received: from [204.144.151.113] (xyplex_013 [204.144.151.113]) by henge1.henge.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06798 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:24:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 21:20:37 -0600 From: johnd@henge.com (John Denny) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >This is a quick survey: > >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). '92 VR6 Yes I have lots of 2nd gear problems. The VW shop thinks I am full of shit and won't fix it. I plan to take this survey to them. Please everybody that has had this problem respond! The problems I have are: 1 - Sometimes when going into reverse it goes into first instead. The shift is pushed down and is way over where it is supposed to be yet the car goes forward. 2 - Shifting up to second glutch all the way to the floor and it grinds badly and won't go in. It always does it when I have someone in the car. Never when I am alone. (aargg). 3 - Shifting down to second sometimes won't go in or sometimes grinds. I'm still under the 70k mile warrentee and will get this thing fixed even if I have to do so by brute force. They have a record (as do I) of my complaints since I bought the car new. GOOD SURVEY!! johnd@henge.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jun 2 20:35 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29400; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:35:34 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8S4Z3WSW004J1I@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 20:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA08762 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:48:56 -0700 Received: from educ.ucalgary.ca (etu1.educ.ucalgary.ca [136.159.35.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA08755 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:48:52 -0700 Received: by educ.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06457; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:49:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 20:48:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Shel Bercovich Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Response to your survey. See below. Thanks for doing this, Jan. On a more personal note, I know you've done a tremendous amount of work for the VW newsgroup in general, and the Corrado group specifically, (and my personal thanks for that!) but was the subject line for the Wilshire Blvd, L.A. accident response today really necessary??? I'm a big boy now and I too use the four-letter-friend-getter from time to time. It just offends my sensibilities to see it on a subject header. My account is sometimes used by my students, and they just don't need to see it. (They use it enough in the hallways!) -- Shel Bercovich "Come Ride \/ sbercovich@cbe.ab.ca with Us /\ bercovi1@educ.ucalgary.ca in Banff / \ Calgary, AB, Canada National Park" / /\ \ On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: > > This is a quick survey: > > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). For some reason, I seem to have a problem finding 2nd gear when doing a fast downshift from 3rd. There just doesn't seem to be any 'gate' available. If I stop, double-clutch, then start in 1st again, 2nd is the same to get into as always. Maybe I'm not pulling far enough to the left when I do the downshift? > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? Have not had a clutch replaced, so other questions cannot be answered. The clutch works well otherwise. From shusaini@trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu Fri Jun 2 21:19 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29777; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:19:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8TMZWCC00048WX@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 21:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA184062; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:17:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 21:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Syed Fouzi Husaini Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO '92 G60 46k USED 1) yes. first would slip into reverse. first grinds sometimes even with the clutch ALL the way down! 2) no. i did not take it back. although another dealer here in San Luis Obispo (Kimball Motor) did fix the reverse/first problem when i took the car in for a completely unrelated problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- | S. Fouzi Husaini | Internet: shusaini@trumpet.calpoly.edu | | Computer Science Soph. | shusaini@galaxy.calpoly.edu | | Cal Poly S.L.O. | WWW: http://www.calpoly.edu/~shusaini/ | ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: > > This is a quick survey: > > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? > 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? > 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? > 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). > 7) How often did you complain about this problem? > 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? > > Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). > > Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. > > -- > o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien > \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" > (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. > From hjowett@pine.nasc.mass.edu Fri Jun 2 23:49 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03914; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:49:32 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from nasc.mass.edu (pine.nasc.mass.edu) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR8YWE0SMO004DG7@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 02 Jun 1995 23:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nasc.mass.edu (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id GAA16582; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 06:51:00 GMT Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 02:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Hulda Jowett Subject: Re: Shifter survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO My G60 had very bad shift habbits. Forget about down-shifting into 1st at any speed but stop. Forget about full throtle shifts into second, bound up everytime. Took it to dealer twice and got a line of shit. No recalls ever performed. I could have sworn there was a recall to modify the shifters to VR6 type, but never could dig anything up. Was I wrong? My VR6 hates reverse about 80% of the time. It binds once in a great while when trying to shift in to second under full throttle also. I thought the new linkage was suppose to prevent this. Have not been to dealer yet to complain. I talked to Aaron at APS, said short shifter parts will be arriving very soon. Brian A. Jowett 93 VR6 From bdunning@netcom.com Sat Jun 3 00:31 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04580; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:31:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR90DTN7KW004P5S@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 00:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DialupEudora by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA13923; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:28:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 00:30:22 -0700 From: bdunning@netcom.com (Brian Dunning) Subject: clutch X-Sender: bdunning@localhost To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO 92 SLC, 45K miles, no clutch problems. Brian Dunning bdunning@netcom.com From drbob27@aol.com Sat Jun 3 01:22 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04898; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 01:22:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR925OMW5C0033W6@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 01:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsbf02.news.aol.com by mail02.mail.aol.com with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA109267616; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 04:20:16 -0400 Received: by newsbf02.news.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA10699; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 04:20:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 04:20:16 -0400 From: drbob27@aol.com Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> To: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) Reply-To: drbob27@aol.com (Drbob27) Message-Id: <9506030820.AA10699@newsbf02.news.aol.com> X-Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posted-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 04:20:16 -0400 Received-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 04:20:16 -0400 References: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> Status: RO 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). no (only 30K since new) 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? not unless it was before i bought it new 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? bob april From lewin@vgi.com Sat Jun 3 08:24 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01602; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 08:24:16 -0700 Return-Path: Return-Receipt-To: lewin@vgi.com Received: from vgi.com (hoss.vgi.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR9GVKXDPS0049KO@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawkeye.vgi.com ([1.0.2.103]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01916; Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:21:51 EDT Received: by hawkeye.vgi.com (1.37.109.4/SMI-4.1) id AA14669; Sat, 3 Jun 95 11:21:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:21:50 -0400 From: lewin@vgi.com Subject: re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <9506031521.AA14669@hawkeye.vgi.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Jan, I have a '90 G60 APE Stage II, with A/C just recently fixed at great expense :-\ 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). N 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? N 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? From jhamill@tiac.net Sat Jun 3 11:32 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02831; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:32:43 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from zork.tiac.net by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR9NG9FCXS003LW2@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nordic.tiac.net (nordic.tiac.net [199.3.130.214]) by zork.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id OAA06716; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:30:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 14:33:45 +0000 From: jhamill@tiac.net (John Hamill) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) Cc: jhamill@tiac.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO In article <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) writes: >Path: >sundog.tiac.net!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail >From: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) >Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw >Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey >Date: 2 Jun 1995 20:47:43 -0500 >Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway >Lines: 23 >Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu >Message-ID: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> >NNTP-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu >This is a quick survey: >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). >2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? >3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? >4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? >5) If not, who was the dealer & where? >6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). >7) How often did you complain about this problem? >8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? >Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). My 1990 G-60 always chunked a bit going from 1-2 under hard acceleration. Dealer said it was cable flex - resolution: none, no work done. Dealer said not to accelerate so hard from 1st to 2nd. They noticed the car seemed "different" (had stage III installed). My 1992 SLC did the same - resolution: had synchros for reverse, 2nd, 4 and 5th gears replaced - dealer said they were chipped, also they replaced some parts around the shifter itself - finally worked pretty good but still was balky going into 2nd. Sold car out of some frustration (had another problem with steering rack that I couldn't get resolved). This was a real early SLC (made 10/91) so it probably did need a clutch upgrade as well. John From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Jun 3 15:48 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04282; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:48:20 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR9WDVPDXC00476A@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 15:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA04237 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:41 -0700 Received: from mazatlan.eng.uci.edu (mazatlan.eng.uci.edu [128.200.43.28]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA04226 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:37 -0700 Received: by mazatlan.eng.uci.edu id AA14894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for corrado-l@teleport.com); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:41:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Matias Loikkanen Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM>; from "Jan Vandenbrande" at Jun 2, 95 6:48 pm Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199506032241.AA14894@mazatlan.eng.uci.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Yes. SLC shifting difficulties. > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? Dealer replaced with Cd clutch. > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? Was replaced as per TSB and VWofA free of charge since no driver caused damage was seen. Evident driver abuse would have nullified the warrantee or whatever free of charge offer they made me before they opened it up. > 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? No. > 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? Ray Fladeboe VW, Irvine, CA > 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). ??? > 7) How often did you complain about this problem? I went in about three times -- they adjusted shift linkage, which mitigated the problem a _little_ for a short period. > 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Mat Loikkanen -- loik@ece.uci.edu -- '92 SLC 40K miles > Please post a summary. Mat ==================================================================== Mat Loikkanen University of California, Irvine loik@ece.uci.edu Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering Advanced Computer Architecture Group ==================================================================== From oneillbp@goldey.gbc.edu Sat Jun 3 16:39 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04608; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:39:33 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from goldey (goldey.gbc.edu) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HR9Y6MZU280042VP@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by goldey (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11333; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:33:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 19:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian P O'Neill Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Jan Vandenbrande wrote: > > This is a quick survey: > > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Yeah-still do.... > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? > 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? > 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? > 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). > 7) How often did you complain about this problem? > 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? I bought the car used - so the above are ???????? Later - Brian (302) 529-0351 > Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). > > Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. > > -- > o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien > \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" > (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. > From mvoorhis@WPI.EDU Sat Jun 3 18:31 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05320; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:31:21 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRA238T7OG0057AF@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 18:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zklzz.WPI.EDU (mvoorhis@zklzz.WPI.EDU [130.215.48.2]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.6.12/8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22705 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:28:58 -0400 Received: (mvoorhis@localhost) by zklzz.WPI.EDU (8.6.12/8.6) id VAA03792; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 21:28:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 21:28:58 -0400 From: Michael C Voorhis Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <6179090@toto.iv> To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <199506040128.VAA03792@zklzz.WPI.EDU> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). No problems at all. > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? > 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? > 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? > 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). > 7) How often did you complain about this problem? Not applicable, see #1. I've had no problems at all with my shifting. > 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Because it's you Jan, I'll give you my VIN, please don't propigate it. My VIN is WVWEE4509PK002142. > Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). > Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. I'm looking forward to your summary, if anyone responds... Mike. From HAPPIG@aol.com Sat Jun 3 20:07 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05778; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:07:05 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRA5EZ4SA80059WI@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 20:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA021275094; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 23:04:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 23:04:54 -0400 From: HAPPIG@aol.com Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <950603230432_22187901@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Yes, 1st to 2nd. Another problem is that it grinds when I shift to 1st from neutral at a red light. 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? The dealer is Trans Ocean VW in Pasadena, California 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). They just adjusted the gears (linkages?) 7) How often did you complain about this problem? Almost every week in the beginning, and then at every oil change 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Happig@aol.com/Raffi Hovnanian/WVWEE4500PK002921 From jmillick@netcom.com Sat Jun 3 20:31 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05901; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:31:31 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRA6A7KIN4004BR1@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 20:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA00835; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:28:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 20:28:08 -0700 From: jmillick@netcom.com (Jim Millick) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Cc: Message-Id: <199506040328.UAA00835@netcom23.netcom.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Status: RO Hi Jan, In article <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> you write: >This is a quick survey: > >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). I've had 2 SLCs, a '92, and a '94. The '92 would crunch occasionally on a fast 1-2 shift, say 1 time a month. Never heard this from the '94. I went with Mobil 1 tranny lube on the '92 after 5K, the '94 only has 2500 on it. >2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No. >3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? N/A >4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? N/A >5) If not, who was the dealer & where? N/A >6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). No. >7) How often did you complain about this problem? I didn't. I was very careful with the '92, after Holly told about her problems. Usually I'd short shift 1st at ~4500, not a fast shift, and then wind all the way out in 2nd and upward. >8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Same as above From scottst@microsoft.com Sun Jun 4 12:36 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19746; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:36:44 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRB3Z0NV9S004AD1@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 04 Jun 1995 12:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA26137; Sun, 4 Jun 95 12:52:40 -0700 Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Sun, 04 Jun 95 12:52:40 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 95 12:29:48 TZ From: Scott Stiles Subject: RE: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9506041952.AA26137@netmail2.microsoft.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Msmail-Message-Id: C06B80B4 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: C06B80B4 X-Msxmtid: red-19-msg950604193319MTP[00.10.07]000000a6-12084 Status: RO | This is a quick survey: | | 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado | (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Yes, problems WOT (wide open throttle) shifting from 1st to 2nd, grinding. | 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 | with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No, I haven't asked them about it. | 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? N/A | 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Scott Stiles. | Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. | (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). | | Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. | | -- | o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com | __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien | \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" | (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. | From sugi@passport.ca Sun Jun 4 20:49 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22745; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 20:49:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from diplomatic.passport.ca by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRBL7CORKW003VBZ@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 04 Jun 1995 20:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diplomatic.passport.ca (Smail3.1.29.1 #6) id m0sIT8V-001BhAC; Sun, 4 Jun 95 23:47 EDT Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: sugi@passport.ca Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO In rec.autos.vw jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) said: >This is a quick survey: > >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). 2) Did >your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? 3) Was this >done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the >clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? >6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you >complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? > >Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. > (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). > >Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. > Hi Jan! I don't have a Corrado, but my car has the G60 engine, so my problems may be relevant to your survey (I drive a 1992 Passat G60 Syncro, low mileage - just over 70,000 kms). Answers to your survey: 1. Yes. The problem had been intermittent (until my last service, after which the problem became full-time). Intermittent: Hard to get into 1st gear from neutral, and sometimes hard to shift from 2nd into 3rd. The shift lever would seem to jam, or at best go only halfway into gear. When it happened, I would have to shift into neutral, let out the clutch, and try shifting again. Since my last service (clutch replacement) the problem has become worse. When I shift from 2nd to 3rd under moderate - hard acceleration, the gears grind, unless I pause, in neutral, for 3 - 5 seconds. 2. I mentioned this TSB to my dealer - they claimed that this number TSB was about an unrelated electrical problem (my (ex)dealer was full of shit!!). I phoned VW Canada, and they promised to look it up, but never got back to me. 3. While my car was under warranty, the dealer would always "solve" this problem by "adjusting the shift linkage". (Canada has a 3 yr/60,000 km powertrain). As soon as the warranty expired, the recommended solution was to replace the clutch. hmmmm. 4. Yes, initially. See Note below. 6. As mentioned above, the dealer tried fiddling with the shift linkage, but this never really solved the problem. 7. 3 times under warranty. Once since the warranty has expired. Note: After the clutch replacement, I complained through the proper channels (dealer, VW Canada, finally a fax and letter to the President of VW Canada). I received absolutely no help at all, and my fax and letter to the President went unanswered. As a last resort, I filed an arbitration claim with CAMVAP (the Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan). My hearing was to be this Tuesday, June 6th. Now here's the good part: Last week, for the first time in two months, I heard from VW Canada. Not only were they extremely courteous, the customer rep actually apologized for the delay in responding to my complaint. He said that, after reading the information in my arbitration claim (all the work orders from previous service, other documented problems with the car, etc.), it looked like VW Canada had "dropped the ball". He said that the dealer hadn't given VW Canada the complete story when I made my initial complaints 2 1/2 months ago. VW wanted an opportunity to address the problem before the arbitration hearing. Anyway, I took my car back to the dealer, and met with the area service rep, and the dealer service manager (immaculate dark business suit, gold cufflinks, not a trace of grease on his hands). The area service rep was an amazing guy, extremely interesting and knowledgeable about VW's, Audi's, and Porsches. He took my car for a test drive, and made a quick diagnosis about the shifting problem (he guesses that the problem is actually due to the synchros - one or more might be slightly warped so when the transmission is hot, the gears don't synchronize properly). I also got him to take a look under the hood, as the G-charger had been making a loud whirring noise whenever the engine was cold. After that, we sat in the car and talked for a while. It seems that VW Canada has had a large re-organization. He said that my complaint may have been ignored because of the shuffle (VW Canada just moved headquarters as well). He admitted that this was no excuse. He was the new area service rep for the Toronto region and, while he didn't actually admit that VW had a bad reputation for service, he mentioned that customer care should and would be a priority going into the future. He apologized for my troubles, and basically said that he would make sure VW "took care of me". Sure enough, by Friday, I had received two faxes from VW Canada. The first, said that VW Canada would re-imburse me fully for the previous service (the clutch replacement - over $1500 Cdn) and apologized for my inconvenience. The second fax said that VW would ensure that my transmission problems, and my G-charger problems were properly taken care of, at VW's expense. They will also provide me with a courtesy car for the duration of the repairs. Anyway, two week's ago, I wouldn't have touched another NEW VW with ten foot pole. The past few day's have gone a long way toward's renewing my faith in the company. (I don't know if this is a case of the squeeky wheel getting the grease, or whether it's a case of a new customer-care attitude at VW. I'm hoping it's the latter.) VW's arranged for me to take my car to another dealer sometime this week (whenever the parts are available). When the shifting problem is properly fixed, I'll e-mail or post the final diagnosis. Sorry for the length of the letter. I'll probably post some of it to the newsgroup. Since I've been one of the biggest complainers recently about VW service, I guess I should be fair, and post when they do something right for a change! Regards, Stephen Sugiyama sugi@passport.ca '92 Passat Syncro From TRUMPER@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU Mon Jun 5 06:13 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23082; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:13:37 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRC4WBSQ0G0054DL@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 06:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 09:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TRUMPER@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU (Peter K. Trumper) Subject: Corrado shifting survey To: JAN@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <950605091341.21e02948@ROGER.BOWDOIN.EDU> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Vmsmail-To: JAN@UG.EDS.COM Status: RO 1) My '92 SLC has had shifting problems since almost day one. Downshifting into first is damn near impossible (except at rest...) without double clutching - which makes it easy. I live in Maine and upshifting 1st - 2nd is extremely difficult for the first 2 minutes when it's not very cold out (less than 50 F) - sometimes it's just difficult to physically move the shifter, sometimes it grinds, sometimes double clutching makes it easier. The 2nd gear synchro failed completely at 1500 miles - before break-in was finished - the engine had never been above 4.5K rpm and I had never done any hard acceleration or particularly fast shifting and had never downshifted into 2nd to produce an engine speed much over 3000 rpm. The cluitch sometimes seem to stick - I occasionally grind and miss 2nd when accelerating quickly (Auto-X starts for example. I've bitched to the dealers off and on for 3 yrs now - they'll adjust the linkage and that's about it. The only TSB they claimed applied to my car involved cleaning the clutch assembly - they said no other TSB appliaedto my car... I guess I'm hoping for a catastrophic failure at 4yrs 11 months. Car is: WVWEE450XNK008450. -Peter Trumper (trumper@bowdoin.edu) From mark@idm.com Mon Jun 5 07:03 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23397; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:03:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from kitten.mcs.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRC6MLVWG0003T6W@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 07:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00207 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:00:48 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 5 Jun 95 08:53 CDT Received: from soon.idm.com by alpha.idm.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17985; Mon, 5 Jun 95 08:51:29 -0500 Received: by soon.idm.com (5.65/16.2) id AA17369; Mon, 5 Jun 95 08:49:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 08:49:52 -0500 (CDT) From: mark@idm.com (Mark Komosa) Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ScoMail 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO > > 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Problems finding reverse (ends up in first) Problems finding first , goes nowhere. Problems shifting 1st->2nd, bad grind though foot to the floor, not consistent though, more often at brisk, fast shift. > 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 When I asked ,they said that the 93 SLC has the cd clutch already. > 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? I haven't bitched enough yet, the 25k runs out next march. +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Mark Komosa Generator.. Oscillator... | |mark@idm.com '93 SLC Make a circuit with me! | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gregc@eskimo.com Mon Jun 5 10:38 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26818; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 10:38:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.eskimo.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRCE5AT3FK003OZ0@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.eskimo.com (5.65c/1.35) id AA00679; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 10:35:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 10:42:25 +0200 From: gregc@eskimo.com (Greg Campbell) Subject: New Clutch X-Sender: gregc@mail.eskimo.com To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199506051735.AA00679@mail.eskimo.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, In response to your survey about your clutch. I haven't had mine replaced. But, I have some questions for you. Was it your VR6 whose clutch was replaced? Was it done to correct the shifting problems (1st to 2nd)? If so, did it work? Was the diagnosis & service done by a VW dealer or an independant? Thanks Greg Campbell gregc@eskimo.com (Seattle, Wa) 1992 SLC From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Jun 5 13:47 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA29842; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:47:50 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRCKRFGDLS005MQ9@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 13:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA19100 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:57:50 -0700 Received: from mazatlan.eng.uci.edu (mazatlan.eng.uci.edu [128.200.43.28]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19061 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:57:31 -0700 Received: by mazatlan.eng.uci.edu id AA10000 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for corrado-l@teleport.com); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:57:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Matias Loikkanen Subject: speaking of shifting... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com (Corrado Mailing List) Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199506051557.AA10000@mazatlan.eng.uci.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just came to mind. I`ve seen several people here on the list (and on r.a.vw) describe their shifting problems using the word "grinding". What exactly do you mean with this term? Are you really referring to gears grinding? Does this occur when the clutch is depressed all the way at the time of the shift? Are you forcing the shift? Just wondering since my shifting problems did not involve grinding but rather it felt like the shifter came up against a wall and would not go into gear without a throttle blip. Mind you, I never tried to force it past this wall. Anyway... -mat '92 SLC (w/ Speedlines off of a '93 :-) ==================================================================== Mat Loikkanen University of California, Irvine loik@ece.uci.edu Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering Advanced Computer Architecture Group ==================================================================== From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Jun 5 16:48 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06261; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:48:36 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRCR2J9G5C0050ZW@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 16:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA15009 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:35:34 -0700 Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14917 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:35:17 -0700 Received: by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA24390; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:35:12 EDT Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: cavalier@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leonard Cavalier) Subject: re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey In-Reply-To: Message of 02 Jun 1995 18:48 Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9506052335.AA24390@oasys.dt.navy.mil> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 18:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). I seem to have a very occasional problem shifting 1st to 2nd. The transmission puts up great resistance shifting, and it makes a very noticeable grinding/crunching metal-on-metal noise. Since it happens so rarely, I am always taken by surprise and therefore am not in a position to really say whether it was something I did or the vehicle did. As occurences of this phemonenon accumulate, it is appearing more and more that the clutch and/or transmission may not be functioning properly - i.e., I feel I operated to equipment correctly. Furthermore, I reason that if I just didn't depress the clutch all the way at these times, the transmission should still shift relatively noiselessly, certainly without crushing/crunching/grinding, being a syncrhomesh, but with more effort. >2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No. I have registered my complaint about this with the dealer service dept. twice, but each time they say there is nothing they can do since they can not duplicate the problem. Naturally, neither can I. Since it does happen rarely, maybe once every two or three months, it seems, I am not compelled to press the dealer to check into it. I will keep watching it - if it gets more freqeuent then I'll act. >3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? >4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? >5) If not, who was the dealer & where? >6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). N/A to 3-6. >7) How often did you complain about this problem? As stated above, twice during the first year I owned the car. >8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? You know my name, look up the number! |-) Seriously, I don't have my VIN now, but I can dig it up on request. Add-in question 9): What year and model car do you have? 1993 SLC. (I guess this would be implicit in the VIN). - Lenny Cavalier cavalier@oasys.dt.navy.mil '93 Corrado SLC VR6 \/\/\/ From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Jun 5 17:03 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06554; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:03:09 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRCRKINXPS0059A1@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 05 Jun 1995 17:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA25758 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:22:34 -0700 Received: from educ.ucalgary.ca (etu1.educ.ucalgary.ca [136.159.35.101]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA25663 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:21:31 -0700 Received: by educ.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10996; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:21:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 16:21:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Shel Bercovich Subject: Re: speaking of shifting... In-Reply-To: <199506051557.AA10000@mazatlan.eng.uci.edu> Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Matias Loikkanen wrote: [SNIP] > > Are you forcing the shift? Just > wondering since my shifting problems did not involve grinding but > rather it felt like the shifter came up against a wall and would not > go into gear without a throttle blip. Mind you, I never tried to force > it past this wall. Anyway... Have the same problem with my '90 G60. _Have_ tried to force it, but it _still_ won't go -- same wall Mat mentions above. Doesn't even grind; just can't get it to go into second. Have to come to a complete stop and start from 1st gear. Bad news when one is in the middle of the on-coming traffic lane! :-( Shel -- bercovi1@educ.ucalgary.ca From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 6 09:44 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11512; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:44:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRDQKMEVR4004TA9@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 06 Jun 1995 09:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA00514 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:34:55 -0700 Received: from decws3.coe.wvu.edu (decws3.coe.wvu.edu [157.182.83.23]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00482 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:34:45 -0700 Received: by decws3.coe.wvu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06385; Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:32:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 12:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: ja@decws3.coe.wvu.edu (John Anderson) Subject: Re: speaking of shifting... In-Reply-To: ; from "Shel Bercovich" at Jun 5, 95 4:21 pm Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9506061632.AA06385@decws3.coe.wvu.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Have the same problem with my '90 G60. _Have_ tried to force it, but it > _still_ won't go -- same wall Mat mentions above. Doesn't even grind; just > can't get it to go into second. Have to come to a complete stop and > start from 1st gear. Bad news when one is in the middle of the on-coming > traffic lane! :-( > > Shel I really think you guys should have the alignment of the shifter mechanism checked again by a reputable dealer with the correct alignment jig, pictured in the manual, a lot of dealers don't have the damn jig and try to guess. I recently purchased the jig myself from a guy who bought out an out of business dealers tools and before I often had the hard 3-2 problem unless I made sure I had the lever all the way to the left. After realignment, the problem has largely dissapeared although 1-2 and 3-2 are still a little rough unless you are used to the car, friends who drive it have problems. Oh and I hate to say this, my roomate just bought a top o line '91 Integra, now don't get me wrong, even my G60 will trounce the car royaly, but oh is the 5 speed so smooth, I swear you don't have more than 1 inch of front to back travel, of course you need it cause it's got no balls in 5, and you're always rowing up and down through the gears. John ja@coe.wvu.edu '71 Westy (now that's shifter travel), '90 G60 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jun 6 11:49 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14141; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:49:58 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRDUX6CK0G004BO8@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA02053 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:36:13 -0700 Received: from execpc.com (comet.execpc.com [204.29.202.6]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01996 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:36:01 -0700 Received: from earth.execpc.com (earth.execpc.com [204.29.202.50]) by execpc.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA13535 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:34:42 -0500 Received: from berkeley.execpc.com (berkeley.execpc.com [204.29.203.124]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA17718 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:31:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 13:31:46 -0500 From: stevek@execpc.com (Steven M. Kosloske) Subject: Re: speaking of shifting... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: stevek@execpc.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199506061831.NAA17718@earth.execpc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just a note. I have the problem with the loose shifting. I had to dig to find first and second. I had it adjusted alongt with some other things, and was not charged for the shifter adjusting. I believe it mentioned a service bulletin. >> Have the same problem with my '90 G60. _Have_ tried to force it, but it >> _still_ won't go -- same wall Mat mentions above. Doesn't even grind; just >> can't get it to go into second. Have to come to a complete stop and >> start from 1st gear. Bad news when one is in the middle of the on-coming >> traffic lane! :-( >> >> Shel > >I really think you guys should have the alignment of the shifter >mechanism checked again by a reputable dealer with the correct >alignment jig, pictured in the manual, a lot of dealers don't >have the damn jig and try to guess. I recently purchased the jig >myself from a guy who bought out an out of business dealers tools >and before I often had the hard 3-2 problem unless I made sure >I had the lever all the way to the left. After realignment, the >problem has largely dissapeared although 1-2 and 3-2 are still >a little rough unless you are used to the car, friends who drive it >have problems. > >Oh and I hate to say this, my roomate just bought a top o line >'91 Integra, now don't get me wrong, even my G60 will trounce >the car royaly, but oh is the 5 speed so smooth, I swear you don't >have more than 1 inch of front to back travel, of course you need >it cause it's got no balls in 5, and you're always rowing up and >down through the gears. > >John >ja@coe.wvu.edu >'71 Westy (now that's shifter travel), '90 G60 > > > From catanf@rpi.edu Wed Jun 7 07:36 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22881; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 07:36:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRF0DVCPQ8005PNT@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 07 Jun 1995 07:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .interramp.com (ip87.herndon2.va.interramp.com [38.11.2.87]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA12562 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:34:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 10:34:20 -0400 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Re: Trannie X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: <199506071434.KAA12562@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO >Dear Francesco > >I was just wondering whether you got your car back yet, whether >they also replaced your clutch, and whether you had to pay for it. > >I am trying to convince VW that I should not have to pay for the >clutch. Thanks, > Sorry, haven't been internetting for days... Yes, I got the car back a couple of weeks ago. The horrendous clunk when going into first is gone, but slight grinding is present when going to reverse. The clutch was replaced, I paid for the part though. In my opinion, you may be able to get VW to pay for all parts if there is no undue or untimely damage to the clutch due to neglect. It is, after all, a defect that affects the clutch. The dealer which I used, and which I am NEVER going to go to again were real asses to deal with. (Ray Burnette VW, Alexandria, VA) and thus my fights ended up in me giving up and just paying for the stupid clutch since I wanted my car back. However, VW of America will hear about that one... Good Luck. From rwgee@ccgate.dp.beckman.com Wed Jun 7 23:57 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08520; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 23:57:23 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from biivax.dp.beckman.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRFYMM6BQ8005565@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 07 Jun 1995 23:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.dp.beckman.com (134.217.247.128) by BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #9440) id <01HRFYE6A5A88Y61PP@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>; Wed, 07 Jun 1995 23:48:05 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.dp.beckman.com id AA802594215; Wed, 07 Jun 95 15:13:55 pst Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 15:13:55 -0800 (pst) From: Richard W Gee Subject: Corrado Shifter To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <9505078025.AA802594215@ccgate.dp.beckman.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 15 Text Status: RO I was reading New Dimensions BBS and read an interesting item about problems with a Corrado shifter. I am a resent owner of a '93 Corrado VR6. I have been experiencing shifting problems to reverse and to first. It would take several attempts to shift into reverse. I brought it back to the dealer and they made some adjustments, it works better, but at times it is still hard to shift into reverse. Another problem I am having is shifting into 1st. I need to be at a stand still or close to a stand still in order for me to move the transmission into first. So I am curious about this recall on transmissions I read about. Any infor would be appreciated. From bbs.ug.eds.com!nntp2.cerf.net!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub6!daynews!corsair!news Thu Jun 8 13:21:37 PDT 1995 Article: 1624 of rec.autos.vw Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B9 05/16/94 VAX/VMS V6.1; site bbs.ug.eds.com Path: bbs.ug.eds.com!nntp2.cerf.net!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub6!daynews!corsair!news Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey Message-ID: From: Brett Shelton Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:27:20 GMT Reply-To: sheltb@postsmg.daytonoh.attgis.com (BSHELTON) Sender: news@corsair.daytonoh.attgis.com (News administrative Login) References: <01HR8OE2U65E003X3Q@UG.EDS.COM> Organization: AT&T GIS Systemedia Group Industry Marketing X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.127.52.224 X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.3 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] Lines: 87 Status: RO ==========Jan Vandenbrande, 6/2/95========== This is a quick survey: 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. ==========Jan Vandenbrande, 6/2/95========== This is a quick survey: 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. ==========Jan Vandenbrande, 6/2/95========== This is a quick survey: 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? 3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? 4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? 5) If not, who was the dealer & where? 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). 7) How often did you complain about this problem? 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Reason: Possible inconsistent application of warrantee to owners by VW. (i.e., some had to pay for a clutch, some did not). Thanks, Please reply directly to me, will summarize. -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "For once I'd like to encounter an alien \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | being that is not immune to bullets" (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | The Brigadier, Dr. Who. I have a '92 SLC and have never had any problems (37K miles) with the clutch or shifting in anyway. Good luck with yours. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jun 8 14:24 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA13907; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:24:24 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRGSWM1BEO005ILM@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA00568 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:10:08 -0700 Received: from mailer (mailer.ug.eds.com [134.244.3.234]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA00537 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:10:02 -0700 Received: from camhpp49.ug.eds.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRGSGYRWWW004S1U@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by camhpp49.ug.eds.com (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05268; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:11:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:11:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Vandenbrande Subject: Re: speaking of shifting... In-Reply-To: <199506051557.AA10000@mazatlan.eng.uci.edu>; from "Matias Loikkanen" at Jun 05, 95 8:57 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HRGSGYSG76004S1U@UG.EDS.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Just came to mind. I`ve seen several people here on the list (and on > r.a.vw) describe their shifting problems using the word "grinding". > What exactly do you mean with this term? Are you really referring to > gears grinding? Does this occur when the clutch is depressed all the > way at the time of the shift? Are you forcing the shift? Just > wondering since my shifting problems did not involve grinding but > rather it felt like the shifter came up against a wall and would not > go into gear without a throttle blip. Mind you, I never tried to force > it past this wall. Anyway... > > -mat The problem that final led VW to change the synchros was exactly the second problem you mentioned. During a down shift (usually 3->2) it would feel *exactly* like hitting a wall with the shifter. In some instances, a throttle blip, repeated tries would not work and I'd have to go back to 3rd or 1st! It gets rather hairy if this happens when you down shift for a fast corner and you find yourself stirring around for gears. I usually rev-shift and so I would minimize the problem...but my wife does not rev shift as well/much and so she'd be complaining. > '92 SLC (w/ Speedlines off of a '93 :-) Same here. Cool! -- o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | Viewing Ultrasound pic of baby: "OH MY \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | GOD". MD: "No, no, no, that's just the (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | umbulical cord". [Robin Williams] From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews Fri Jun 9 15:17:23 PDT 1995 Article: 63781 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: Stress Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] grinding gearbox Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:16:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3qvl6f$idt@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3qv67e$hq6@aim.tech.iupui.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: syru82-018.syr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:3qv67e$hq6@aim.tech.iupui.edu Status: RO bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu (Barry J Mccabe) wrote: >Thomas A. Dressel (tad@switch.com) wrote: >: I have a '91 Jetta that has an annoying problem. Whenever the car has been >: sitting for a while (overnight, during work, etc.), the gearbox (5 sp) is prone >: to making a loud grinding clunk when I shift from first to second. If I think >: about it and shift real gingerly, it won't grind. Once the car is driven for >: a while, it no longer happens. It seems like a synchronization problem, but I >: can't understand why it would only happen when the car is cold. Any insight >: or advise would be appreciated. > >: Thank you. > >: //// >: Thomas A. Dressel tad@switch.com >: Union Switch & Signal Inc. > >Common problem for [W] VWs. Making sure your shift linkage is in good >shape helps (bushings, adjustment, etc), and some people like using >synthetic gear oil (I have not tried this). Check the FAQ. I have recently had assorted problems with the transmission on my A-2 GTi, and after much worry and conversation about the topic, I adjusted my shift linkage. Presto. I think that the linkage had never been adjusted. The shifter feels completely improved. I used to have all kinds of funny sounds when I would shift including a cruch click from 1 ---> 2 but now it is silent. Also in addition to adjusting and checking bushing like the other gents suggested, make sure that the components _inside_ the car, under the shift boot are well lubed. The difference will suprise you. Marc 88 GTi From usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!not-for-mail Fri Jun 9 15:18:10 PDT 1995 Article: 63788 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!not-for-mail From: sugi@passport.ca (Steve Sugiyama) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: VW Dealers & Service - Update Date: 5 Jun 1995 18:04:26 -0400 Organization: Passport Lines: 89 Message-ID: <3qvv1a$lg2@diplomatic.passport.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca Status: RO I'm pleased to report that my dispute with VW Canada is moving towards a satisfying conclusion. Summary: Car ('92 Passat G60 Syncro) had chronic (though intermittent) shifting problems (difficult to get into 1st gear, difficulty shifting from 2nd - 3rd). Unsuccessfully repaired 3 times while the car was under the factory warranty. (March) With the factory warranty expired, dealer installed new clutch ($$$) as a solution. Dealer had my car for 2 1/2 days longer than promised, and refused to give me a loaner, (for even 1 day). Complained to VW Canada, and was told I was SOL (despite Guaranteed Mobility). 1 week later, shifting problems reappeared except, instead of being intermittent, it became a full-time problem. I complained to the dealer, and VW Canada and received no help. I faxed, and wrote a registered letter of complaint to the President of VW Canada and received no reply. (Mid April) As a last resort, I filed for arbitration, using CAMVAP (The Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan - co-sponsored by the Gov't and the new car mfgs). My hearing was scheduled for tomorrow (June 6th). (Last week) For the first time in two months, I heard from VW Canada. A very courteous rep apologized for the delay in responding to my complaint. He said, that after reading the info in my arbitration claim (all the work orders from previous service, other documented problems with the car, etc.), it looked like VW Canada had "dropped the ball". He said that the dealer hadn't given VW Canada the complete story when I made my initial complaints 2 1/2 months ago. VW wanted an opportunity to address the situation before the arbitration hearing. He arranged an appointment for me to take my car to the dealer, and have the VW area service rep look at it. The next day, I took my car back to the dealer (Downtown Fine Cars) and met with the area service rep and the dealer service manager. The VW area rep was VERY impressive, i.e., professional, no b.s., seemed to really care about taking care of customers. (The dealer service mgr OTOH, remained a tad arrogant and defensive - he was dressed more like an investment banker, and I would guess that he never enters the garage area, lest he soil his fine clothing). Anyway, I went for a test drive with the area rep, who made a quick diagnosis of the shifting problem (he guesses that the problem is actually due to the synchros - one or more may be warped, so the gears don't synchronize when the tranny is hot). I also had him look at the G-charger, which has been making a loud whirring noise whenever the engine is cold. During my conversations with the area rep, I learnt the following: Apparently, VW Canada has just had a fairly extensive re-organization. He said that my complaint may have been ignored because of the shuffle (VW Canada just moved their headquarters as well). He admitted that this was no excuse. He was the new area service rep for the Toronto region and, while he didn't actually admit that VW had a bad reputation for service, he repeatedly mentioned that customer care should, and would be a priority going into the future. He apologized for my troubles, and basically said that he would make sure that VW "took care of me" fairly. Sure enough, by Friday, I had received two faxes from VW Canada. The first said that VW Canada would fully reimburse me for the previous service (the clutch) and apologized for my inconvenience. The second fax said that VW Canada would ensure that the transmission problems, and the G-charger problems were properly repaired, at VW's expense. VW will also provide me with a courtesy car for the duration of the repairs. They've arranged for me to take my car in to another dealer sometime this week (whenever parts are available). Anyway, this is a classic win-win situation. I'm getting my car fixed (properly I hope!), and I finally feel like I'm being treated like a valued customer. VW wins because they avoid arbitration, and they're on their way towards regaining my future new car business. I admit, that I've been one of the more frequent complainers about VW service. However, I also have to admit that the VW Canada customer rep, and the VW area service rep have done an outstanding job for me this past week. I don't know if this is a case of the squeeky wheel getting the grease, or whether its a case of a new found customer-care attitude at VW. I sure hope it's the latter. Thanks to all who e-mailed their dealer stories and suggestions to me over the past two months. Hang in there, things might be improving!! Stephen Sugiyama sugi@passport.ca '92 Passat G60 Syncro P.S. Since I've basically written off the cost of the clutch, I'm thinking of using the refund for some perf mods. Any suggestions out there? From usc!news.service.uci.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!newsgw.mentorg.com!wv.mentorg.com!kwatson Fri Jun 9 15:19:10 PDT 1995 Article: 63808 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!news.service.uci.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dbisna.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!newsgw.mentorg.com!wv.mentorg.com!kwatson From: kwatson@wv.mentorg.com (Keith Watson) Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: [W] grinding gearbox Date: 5 Jun 1995 23:28:56 GMT Organization: Mentor Graphics Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3r03vo$rl8@hpaar.wv> References: <3qv67e$hq6@aim.tech.iupui.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: golf.wv Status: RO In article <3qv67e$hq6@aim.tech.iupui.edu>, bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu (Barry J Mccabe) writes: |> Thomas A. Dressel (tad@switch.com) wrote: |> : I have a '91 Jetta that has an annoying problem. Whenever the car has been |> : sitting for a while (overnight, during work, etc.), the gearbox (5 sp) is prone |> : to making a loud grinding clunk when I shift from first to second. If I think |> : about it and shift real gingerly, it won't grind. Once the car is driven for |> : a while, it no longer happens. It seems like a synchronization problem, but I |> : can't understand why it would only happen when the car is cold. >From experience, warm gear oil works better. I don't know the real reason for this. Warm oil is thinner so it may be getting to all of the right places better. My gearbox was rebuilt 6K miles ago and still has a little klink when shifting from 1st to 2nd when cold. The 1st to 2nd shift seems to place the most work load on the syncros. It's always best to take it easy on the engine and transmission until engine oil and gear oil are warm. -- Keith Watson kwatson@wv.mentorg.com Mentor Graphics Corporation (Wilsonville, OR) 87 VW GTI 16V 85 VW Golf #42 - Conference Production H From johnny5@netcom.com Fri Jun 9 23:59 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04141; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 23:59:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRIRA3W94G005K0K@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 09 Jun 1995 23:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA15917; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 23:56:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 23:56:30 -0700 From: johnny5@netcom.com (John Leipsic) Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM (Jan Vandenbrande) Message-Id: <199506100656.XAA15917@netcom18.netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw Status: RO Hi Jan, I lost the survey until I found it on r.a.vw : 1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado : (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Yes, 1 -> 2 grinds bad sometimes. Gear gets stuck in reverse at times. : 2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 : with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No : 6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). No : 7) How often did you complain about this problem? Haven't yet, I seem to be able to live with it. : 8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? John Leipsic VIN 11,500 From barabell@dev.cdx.mot.com Tue Jun 20 08:05 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20252; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:05:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from motgate.mot.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HRX75LXVN4007ZUP@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.7) with ESMTP id KAA22898 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:02:25 -0500 Received: from prospero.dev.cdx.mot.com (prospero.dev.cdx.mot.com [150.20.1.20]) by pobox.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.7) with ESMTP id KAA10245 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:02:22 -0500 Received: from hamlet.dev.cdx.mot.com (hamlet.dev.cdx.mot.com [150.20.50.39]) by prospero.dev.cdx.mot.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA21989 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:02:18 -0400 Received: (barabell@localhost) by hamlet.dev.cdx.mot.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA06528 for jan@ug.eds.com; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:02:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:02:17 -0400 From: Art Barabell Subject: Re: [W] Corrado Shifting Woes Survey To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199506201502.LAA06528@hamlet.dev.cdx.mot.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, My apologies for taking so long with this. I do appreciate all the help you provide to Corrado & VW owners. Art >This is a quick survey: > >1) Did you have problems shifting in and out of gears in your Corrado > (G60 or SLC)? (e.g., grinding 1st to 2nd, problems down shifting). Occasional problems going from 1st to 2nd; if I hurry the shift without a slight pause in neutral, I get grinding. Otherwise, pretty smooth. Balky going into reverse. Since I've seen this on so many other cars, I've accepted it as a feature. >2) Did your dealer replace the Clutch according to TSB V30-93-04 > with one that has either a Cadmium or Nickel coated spline/hub? No. >3) Was this done during the 25k or 50k warrantee? N/A >4) If so, did you have to pay for the clutch? N/A >5) If not, who was the dealer & where? N/A >6) Did they do other work (replace synchros, linkages). N/A >7) How often did you complain about this problem? According to my records, it was never written up as a problem. I might've mentioned it to a service manager once, and might've received an "it's normal" reply which I took at face value. Given my infrequent experience with the problem, I never bothered pushing it. >8) Optional: What's your name/VIN? Art Barabell '92 Corrado SLC VIN WVWEE4501NK012810 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jul 6 11:34 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09668; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:34:35 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSJR57OLVK000LXS@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 06 Jul 1995 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA19330 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:27:12 -0700 Received: from eagle.cle.ab.com (djd@eagle.cle.ab.com [130.151.194.96]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA19312 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:27:07 -0700 Received: (from djd@localhost) by eagle.cle.ab.com (8.6.10/8.6.5.9) id OAA04892; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:27:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 14:27:03 -0400 From: Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com Subject: Intermittent Electronics? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507061827.OAA04892@eagle.cle.ab.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Folks, My '92 VR6 seems to be having some intermittent problems with the electronics, or at least some of them. After I enable the alarm, sometimes I can get it to go off by opening the driver's door, sometimes I can't. As far as I can tell, I'm not doing anything different. Sometimes the car likes to sound the alarm with the door, sometimes it doesn't care about the door. Also the other day, the horn stopped working for awhile. Now it works fine. Are these both controlled from the same location? Anybody else ever see these symptoms? I'm taking the car to the Dealer Monday anyway, so I'm going to see what they say about it. I'm taking it in because I'm getting an occasional grinding when I shift from 2nd to 3rd, especially when I shift hard. After it starts doing that, it seems to stay that way for a while -- no matter now carefully I try to shift it. (I'm mentioning this just in case this is some kind of recurring problem, so I can be forewarned of what the dealer might say. Is this anything to be particularly concerned about?) I bought my Corrado used, and I still have a good amount of the dealer warranty left (and the VW warranty too). Dennis Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jul 6 13:41 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12160; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:41:00 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSJVJWZTUO0008KV@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 06 Jul 1995 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA17001 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:24:31 -0700 Received: from henge1.henge.com (johnd@henge1.henge.com [204.144.151.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16952 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:24:22 -0700 Received: (from johnd@localhost) by henge1.henge.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA12920 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:26:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 14:26:46 -0600 (MDT) From: John Denny Subject: Re: Intermittent Electronics? In-Reply-To: <199507061827.OAA04892@eagle.cle.ab.com> from "Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com" at Jul 6, 95 02:27:03 pm Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507062026.OAA12920@henge1.henge.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 785 Precedence: bulk Status: RO My '92 grinds as well. (2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 2nd). It's been doing it since the day I bought it (new). I've also been complaining since day one. The dealer just this week started taking me seriously and are getting a warrentee repair out of VW. After 50k miles of complaining you might actually get somewhere with the dealer. ;-) John > > I'm taking it in because I'm getting an occasional grinding when I > shift from 2nd to 3rd, especially when I shift hard. After it starts > doing that, it seems to stay that way for a while -- no matter now > carefully I try to shift it. (I'm mentioning this just in case this is > some kind of recurring problem, so I can be forewarned of what the > dealer might say. Is this anything to be particularly concerned > about?) > > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Sat Jul 8 21:53 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08684; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:53:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSN5BR43I80006ZM@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 08 Jul 1995 21:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA10686 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:11:07 -0700 Received: from thepoint.net (dg.thepoint.net [198.6.9.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA10680 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:11:05 -0700 Received: from line11.sburg.thepoint.net by thepoint.net (5.4R3.00/) id AA05415; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 00:13:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 00:13:48 -0400 From: bwhite@thepoint.net (Brian J White) Subject: My 92 VR6 O2A tranny... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bwhite@thepoint.net To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9507090413.AA05415@thepoint.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well....I was having some problems shifting from 3rd-2nd and sometimes going from 1st second, depending on where I started from in the gearbox.... well...last night it plain wouldnt go into second smoothly....so I kinda was rough on it trying to get it to go in...and whaaa-laaa......now my 2nd gear syncro is shot. I had just reported to my VW dealer that I was having the shift problem and that when I bring it in for my 30,000 I want them to look at/rebuild the tranny....well now I definatly want them to. Jan...I know you had this done on your 92 VR6. Can you give me some details?? Did VW pay for it all?? INcluding clutch? How much was your clutch if you paid for it?? How many miles were on your car? Do you have copies of the ACTUAL TSBs that address the O2A problem so I can have some ammo incase they bitch?? How was the result?? Brian 92 VR6 w/busted 2nd gear syncro. snif snif. Brian J White Louisville, KY - 92 Corrado VR6 Corrado Club of America info e-mail bwhite@thepoint.net From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Mon Jul 10 13:28 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01478; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:28:19 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSPGAIFDGW000UTS@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA02281 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:19:21 -0700 Received: from henge1.henge.com (johnd@henge1.henge.com [204.144.151.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02267 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:19:16 -0700 Received: (from johnd@localhost) by henge1.henge.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA09075 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:21:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:21:42 -0600 (MDT) From: John Denny Subject: Re: My 92 VR6 O2A tranny... In-Reply-To: <01HSP9TGUEJM000TQM@UG.EDS.COM> from "Jan Vandenbrande" at Jul 10, 95 10:23:16 am Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507102021.OAA09075@henge1.henge.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2866 Precedence: bulk Status: RO I too am getting a VERY big run around about my shifting into second gear woes. If you have anything you can send me to help proove to the local dealer that it is not just my car please email it to me! (please!). I just passed 50k miles and have complaining about this problem since 15k miles. They have all my complaints on record and say yep you've been telling us of this problem for a long time. I am one of the few that got talked into the extended warrentee (70k miles). Iam both glad and sad by that extended warrentee. Glad at this point that I don't have to argue about the 5/50 but sad that they still won't fix my tranny because it HAS to be my fault that it's grinding in 2nd gear because none of the others do it. Anyway, I would be very gratefull if you had anything you could send me about any surveys/research you've done on this issue. Thanks! John ('92 Red VR6) > > > Well....I was having some problems shifting from 3rd-2nd and > > sometimes going from 1st second, depending on where I started from in the > > gearbox.... > > > > well...last night it plain wouldnt go into second smoothly....so I kinda was > > rough on it trying to get it to go in...and whaaa-laaa......now my 2nd gear > > syncro is shot. > > > > Jan...I know you had this done on your 92 VR6. Can you give me some > > details?? Did VW pay for it all?? INcluding clutch? How much was your > > clutch if you paid for it?? How many miles were on your car? Do you have > > copies of the ACTUAL TSBs that address the O2A problem so I can have some > > ammo incase they bitch?? How was the result?? > > VW payed for everything, except the clutch. I even contested the charge > in writing with 20 pages of previously documented complaints. > They claimed that if the clutch was at fault, I would not have been > able to engage into 1st or reverse at all. Guess that's true. > > Oh well, here goes 500$ out the door! But the whole tranny rebuild > (every synchro, most gears) have been replaced on their cost > at 49949 miles (no kidding). > > As you all may remember, I conducted a little survey a couple months > ago and it sounds like the majority of us all are having problems with > that blasted 02A tranny! (I am gonna add this one to it!) > > I was going to use this next time the service manager claims > "Your car is the only one that has this problem". > You are welcome to have a copy of this survey. > I am also working on having my G60 tranny corrected, because that > second gear never worked right. > > > -- > o ___|___ [\\] | Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com > __0 /\0/ /-------\ _ | "Autoracing, mountain climbing and > \<,_ O \\ (_________) .#/_\_. | running of the bulls are sports, the > (_)/ (_) // [_] [_] |_(_)_| | rest are mere games", Hemmingway. > From kurtww@saskia.com Mon Jul 10 21:34 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA08067; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:34:56 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSPX9USAF4000YFD@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.144.151.118] (ppp18.henge.com [204.144.151.118]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00201 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:32:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:32:22 -0600 From: kurtww@saskia.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) Subject: Re: My 92 VR6 O2A tranny... X-Sender: kurtww@mail.teleport.com To: Jan Vandenbrande Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Jan, Could you send me a copy of that survey? My SLC now grinds going from 1 to 2 three times a day or more. At 9000 miles...very annoying. Thanks, Kurt From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 11 12:58 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22014; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:58:16 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HSQTIMJHR4000RO8@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA10302 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:51:29 -0700 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10271 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:51:22 -0700 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA193892044; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:47:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:47:24 -0400 From: BBSXanadu@aol.com Subject: Re: My 92 VR6 O2A tranny... Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950711154723_112581228@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO In a message dated 95-07-10 13:27:48 EDT, you write: >You are welcome to have a copy of this survey. >I am also working on having my G60 tranny corrected, because that >second gear never worked right. > Let me now how it turns out... My tranny stinks... Clarke Russell From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 18 12:42 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19817; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:42:18 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT0L07FTO0002SJN@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA09297 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:34:40 -0700 Received: from eagle.cle.ab.com (djd@eagle.cle.ab.com [130.151.194.96]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA09251 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:34:32 -0700 Received: (from djd@localhost) by eagle.cle.ab.com (8.6.10/8.6.5.9) id PAA03335; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:34:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:34:08 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Dombrosky" Subject: Replace Synchros? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507181934.PAA03335@eagle.cle.ab.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Oh great & wise Oracle of Corrado wisdom that is this mailing list: My '92 VR6 frequently grinds when I shift from 2nd to 3rd when I accelerate hard. The dealer claims they can't reproduce the problem (it's not that difficult), but has offered to tear apart the tranny and fix what they find. (i.e. replace the synchro(s).) It's still under the VW power-train warranty. They say it'll take them about a week, since they'll have to take the tranny apart, find what's wrong, order the parts, blah, blah, blah.... The question I'd like to submit to the collected wisdom of corrado-l is this: Is it worth the trouble? I've heard about '92 VR6's sometimes grinding like this (a design problem?). So after they replace the synchro(s), is it just going to keep grinding on me? Or will that take care of it? Right now I have a spare car, but it's for sale. So if it's worth losing my baby for a week, I might as well do it now, before I lose the spare. Dennis Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 18 13:22 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20981; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:22:39 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT0MF7T5WW0026IB@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA18150 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:10:01 -0700 Received: from henge1.henge.com (johnd@henge1.henge.com [204.144.151.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA18083 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:09:47 -0700 Received: (from johnd@localhost) by henge1.henge.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA03765 for corrado-l@teleport.com; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:12:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:12:09 -0600 (MDT) From: John Denny Subject: Re: Replace Synchros? In-Reply-To: <199507181934.PAA03335@eagle.cle.ab.com> from "Dennis J. Dombrosky" at Jul 18, 95 03:34:08 pm Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507182012.OAA03765@henge1.henge.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1337 Precedence: bulk Status: RO My '92 VR6 does the same thing. I am also under power-train warranty, however my dealer has offered no help and they want me to pay for them to check it. I would most definatly take them up on their offer. I have heard from the list that the problem is the 2nd gear syncros (some also have trouble with 1st gear), so that should take care of it. I would also talk to the dealer about checking the condition of the gears as well. I find it hard to believe with all the grinding mine has made that the damage would be limited to just the synchro gears. But that would depend on how long and how hard the grinding is. Mine is absolutely deplorable. It's so bad that I have been biking to work while I pound on VWOA over the issue. I also bike to work since I just moved and I am only 3.2 miles from the office and I could use the exercise.. (grin). John > My '92 VR6 frequently grinds when I shift from 2nd to 3rd when I > accelerate hard. The dealer claims they can't reproduce the problem > (it's not that difficult), but has offered to tear apart the tranny and > fix what they find. (i.e. replace the synchro(s).) It's still under > the VW power-train warranty. They say it'll take them about a week, > since they'll have to take the tranny apart, find what's wrong, order > the parts, blah, blah, blah.... > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 18 13:53 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22462; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:53:08 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT0NFTP80W002XZB@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA25833 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:40:18 -0700 Received: from thepoint.net (dg.thepoint.net [198.6.9.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA25753 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:40:06 -0700 Received: from line07.sburg.thepoint.net by thepoint.net (5.4R3.00/) id AA07329; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:41:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:41:52 -0400 From: bwhite@thepoint.net (Brian J White) Subject: Re: Replace Synchros? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: bwhite@thepoint.net To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9507182041.AA07329@thepoint.net> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO My 92 VR6 is in the shop for this exact same problem. I get it back in 3 more days. Jan had his 92 done a while back....I remember him saying it made all the difference in the world. Ill let you know how mine came out. Brian Dismantled 92 VR6. >My '92 VR6 frequently grinds when I shift from 2nd to 3rd when I >accelerate hard. The dealer claims they can't reproduce the problem >(it's not that difficult), but has offered to tear apart the tranny and >fix what they find. (i.e. replace the synchro(s).) It's still under >the VW power-train warranty. They say it'll take them about a week, >since they'll have to take the tranny apart, find what's wrong, order >the parts, blah, blah, blah.... > >The question I'd like to submit to the collected wisdom of corrado-l is >this: Is it worth the trouble? I've heard about '92 VR6's sometimes >grinding like this (a design problem?). So after they replace the >synchro(s), is it just going to keep grinding on me? Or will that take >care of it? > >Right now I have a spare car, but it's for sale. So if it's worth >losing my baby for a week, I might as well do it now, before I lose the >spare. > > > Dennis > Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com > > From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 18 14:42 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24107; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:42:22 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT0P6TKQLC001UN3@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA08193 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:31:08 -0700 Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08151 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:31:00 -0700 Received: from .interramp.com ([38.11.104.214]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA16209 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:30:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:30:55 -0400 From: catanf@rpi.edu (Francesco Catanzaro) Subject: Re: Replace Synchros? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: catanf@mail1.its.rpi.edu To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507182130.RAA16209@mail1.its.rpi.edu> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>The question I'd like to submit to the collected wisdom of corrado-l is >>this: Is it worth the trouble? I've heard about '92 VR6's sometimes >>grinding like this (a design problem?). So after they replace the >>synchro(s), is it just going to keep grinding on me? Or will that take >>care of it? >> I had a similar problem on my 1992 VR6, 1-2, 2-3 AND N-R. My dealer replaced the whole transmission on the account that they could not figure out what was going on. Asides from misadjusting the linkages at first, the problem went away quite nicely. I would definitely go in and have the problem checked, especially since it is still under warranty. From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 18 16:23 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25858; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:23:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT0SQXAY68002VM3@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA05357 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:11:15 -0700 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA05293 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:11:04 -0700 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA241279022; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:10:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:10:22 -0400 From: UniqueVR6@aol.com Subject: Re: Replace Synchros? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950718191018_117722807@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO My '92 VR6 doesn't appear to have this 2nd to 3rd problem, but I frequently find it stubbornly refusing to go into 1st or Reverse (grinds occasionally). This happens either when coming to or at a stop. Wondered if this is a related problem? Do you think this is something serious enough to bug my dealer about (I bought an extended "Platinum" warranty, not sure if it covers the powertrain)? I've approached them casually once and they just shrugged their shoulders and explained it away as "one of those things you get with a Corrado"... From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jul 20 20:53 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA12037; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 20:53:13 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT3UMX80SG0037LL@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 20:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA18265 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:49:29 -0700 Received: from utrcgw.utc.com (utrcgw.utc.com [192.65.177.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA18244 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:49:24 -0700 Received: from decnet-mail (S31207@MOTHER) by utrcgw.utc.com (PMDF #2906 ) id <01HT2783ER2800EFJD@utrcgw.utc.com>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:30:24 EST Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:30:23 -0500 (EST) From: S31207%MOTHER@utrcgw.utc.com Subject: Re: gear crunching Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <01HT2783ER2A00EFJD@utrcgw.utc.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Vms-To: UTRCGW::IN%"corrado-l@teleport.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO From: UTRCGW::IN%"corrado-l@teleport.COM" 19-JUL-1995 16:03:46.44 To: IN%"corrado-l@teleport.COM" CC: Subj: gear crunching Return-path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by utrcgw.utc.com (PMDF #2906 ) id <01HT25XKQH2O00ECF6@utrcgw.utc.com>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:50:32 EST Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA28299 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:30:30 -0700 Received: from vgi.com (hoss.vgi.com [199.29.188.2]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28251 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:30:22 -0700 Received: from hawkeye.vgi.com ([1.0.2.103]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00919; Wed, 19 Jul 95 15:30:14 EDT Received: by hawkeye.vgi.com (1.37.109.4/SMI-4.1) id AA14749; Wed, 19 Jul 95 15:30:13 -0400 Date: 19 Jul 1995 15:30:13 -0400 From: lewin@vgi.COM Subject: gear crunching Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.COM To: corrado-l@teleport.COM Reply-to: corrado-l@teleport.COM Message-id: <9507191930.AA14749@hawkeye.vgi.com> X-Envelope-to: S31207%MOTHER Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk >Crunching going into R is "normal" I think for VWs. >Someone taught me the anti-crunch measure of shifting into 3rd, then >into R while at rest. This makes it not crunch. Something to do with >synchros? Or lack there of. Reverse does not have a synchronizer and therefore will "crunch" unless the gears are motionless. Putting it into another gear (like 3rd) will stop the gears which are still free rotating. Pete K s31207%mother@utrcgw.utc.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Thu Jul 20 23:19 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15961; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:19:42 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT3ZU26M28003U6K@UG.EDS.COM>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA03215 for corrado-l-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:11:11 -0700 Received: from netbistro.com (root@vortex.netbistro.com [204.244.105.1]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA03181 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:11:03 -0700 Received: from ts1-17.net.netbistro.com by netbistro.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0sZBHZ-000LWSC; Thu, 20 Jul 95 23:09 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: eric@vortex.netbistro.com (Eric Shelkie) Subject: Strange engine noise Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: eric@vortex.netbistro.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all! I am new to Corrado, VW and this list. Two weeks ago a purchased a '93 VR6 with 37,000 KM (23,000 miles). I love it so far, except for a few 'glitches' which seem to be quite common from reading this list. I suffer from the following: -hard acceleration grind (1 -> 2 ) -noisy a/c compressor -slight hessitaion (hot weather only) -strange enginge knock at idle I will again bug my service manager again about the second gear grind (He said it was my driving the first time I complained about it). My A/C compressor makes a whine/whirring noise which seems abnormal to me. I was told by the dealer this is a normal noise!!? Anyone know what to do about my hot weather hesitation? The worst problem I have is a strange noise my engine makes at idle or below 2000 RPM. It almost resembles a diesel at idle!! Engine temp doesn't seem to make a difference, and I'm burning 93 octane fuel. If anyone has experience with this noise or has any suggestions, please reply. I have an appointment 8:00am monday morning for this problem. My service manager suspects there is a problem in the top end but he has never even had the head off of a VR6 (Gulp!!) Any help is greatly appreciated. Eric Shelkie '93 VR6 Prince George, BC.CA From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jul 21 07:03 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA18454; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:03:28 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HT4G038N8W0037SJ@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id GAA06256 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 06:49:03 -0700 Received: from eagle.cle.ab.com (djd@eagle.cle.ab.com [130.151.194.96]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA06248 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 06:49:00 -0700 Received: (from djd@localhost) by eagle.cle.ab.com (8.6.10/8.6.5.9) id JAA09906; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:48:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:48:52 -0400 From: "Dennis J. Dombrosky" Subject: Re: Replace Synchros? Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507211348.JAA09906@eagle.cle.ab.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:34:08 -0400, I wrote: > My '92 VR6 frequently grinds when I shift from 2nd to 3rd when I > accelerate hard. The dealer claims they can't reproduce the problem > (it's not that difficult), but has offered to tear apart the tranny and > fix what they find. (i.e. replace the synchro(s).) Well, I took it in to the dealer that afternoon (Tuesday) to take them up on the offer. The service manager called me this morning (Friday) and told me that it's ready. He said the tranny had no bad parts. They called VW, and VW had them replace the transmission fluid with synthetic! He says, "That fixed it." I haven't tried it yet (since I just got off the phone), but I guess I have my doubts about this incredibly convenient and easy fix. I'll keep you guys posted about this miracle cure. Dennis Dennis.Dombrosky@ab.com From usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!news.compulink.com!news2.compulink.com!herzog Mon Jul 24 12:36:21 PDT 1995 Article: 68977 of rec.autos.vw Path: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!news.compulink.com!news2.compulink.com!herzog Newsgroups: rec.autos.vw From: herzog@cml.com (Matthew Jelavic) Subject: Corrado Problems? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: ComputerLink Online Inc. Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cml.com Date: 24 Jul 95 03:57:50 GMT Lines: 38 Status: RO I own a 1994 VW CORRADO VR6 with about 36,000 km (22,400 miles) on the odometer. Since I purchased it I've had a few problems with it. 1. The second gear synchronizer failed at about 12,000 km (7,500 miles). It was replaced with a "redesigned part" and has performed perfectly ever since. 2. The 'check engine' light started coming on at about 15,OOO km (9,400 miles). I was told that this problem occurred in some PASSAT VR6's too. An 'engine sensor' was replaced with a "redesigned part" and the problem never re-occurred. 3. When I go over some big road bumps in my car, I can hear a metallic noise in the drivers side door panel. The dealership is unable to find a fault. 4. There is a lot of squeeking and rattling in the cabin, mainly from the rear hatch, but also from the center console where the parking brake is. 5. There is a 'springing sound' (for lack of a better explanation) from the rear shock/suspension area when I go over some bumps or start the car in forward motion. HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH THEIR CORRADO'S? (ANY YEAR). IF SO, HAVE YOU FOUND SOLUTIONS? Best Regards, Matthew Jelavic 1994 VW CORRADO VR6 -------------------------------------------------------------- : Come play Realms of Despair! telnet://realms.game.org:4000 : -------------------------------------------------------------- From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Tue Jul 25 17:37 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24812; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:37:10 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HTANBWFUI80043FH@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA25866 for corrado-l-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:28:13 -0700 Received: from jfrank.jfrank.COM (jfrank.jfrank.COM [192.216.91.4]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25836 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:28:06 -0700 Received: from arnold.jfrank.COM (arnold.jfrank.COM [192.216.91.23]) by jfrank.jfrank.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00845; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:27:28 -0700 Received: (pkendall@localhost) by arnold.jfrank.COM (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA01964; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:27:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:27:26 -0700 From: Paul Kendall Subject: Re: VR6 short shift kit Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <199507260027.RAA01964@arnold.jfrank.COM> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Regarding ordering short shift kits, Tom Hossfeld wrote: > > It won't be me. I'm a bit skeptical about a short shift kit. I'm no > engineer but the shifter itself is just one part of the process. > It sounds like the synchro rings, clutch, transmission, cable shifter > combination on the Corrado is not really conducive to quick shifting > (or at least not quicker than the stock shifter allows). Some people > on the list have reported grinding etc and warranty work on the > transmission/clutch. > So a short shift kit might just allow you to grind your gears quicker > than you do now or wear out your synchro rings quicker. > A short shift kit might (I repeat might) just be asking for trouble. > > Couldn't agree more - I wrecked two (!) trannys in my KGhia before I figured out it was the short shift that was allowing me to overpower the syncros and get the gears in to an "illegal state." The symptom was getting stuck in second gear. The correction was to send the tranny out to the transmission shop for repair. Not good. Now if the short shift kit would solve my second gear grinding problem... --Paul Paul Kendall J.Frank Consulting Palo Alto, CA Paul.Kendall@jfrank.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 93 Classic Green SLC, factory BBS wheels, 7500 mi and loving it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gregc@eskimo.com Sat Jul 29 06:19 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA03815; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 06:19:25 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from mail.eskimo.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HTFKTTQWEO004MQG@UG.EDS.COM>; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 06:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (gregc@tia1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.40]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA16545 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 02:39:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 02:44:37 +0200 From: gregc@eskimo.com (Greg Campbell) Subject: Re: Shifting woes survey result X-Sender: gregc@mail.eskimo.com To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199507290939.CAA16545@mail.eskimo.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO >Greg Campbell unknown Jan, Great work. I think I may have given you the wrong impression. My transmission issues are definity "yes". Though I've developed driving habits to minimize them, they still happen. Grinding 2nd, fishing for gears on downshift. Sounds like this may not help you anyway. I recently rolled over 68,000 miles. I've been losing some sleep over you're story about your syncros & clutch. I was thinking about having the syncros replaced when the clutch goes, and just be done with it. I'm not sure of the cost, though I suspect it's less that the aggravation of dealing with VWoA reps. Do you think this would end the tranny woes? BTW: What do you think of Tim's offer regarding the exhaust. I'll be needing a new one soon (suitecase muffler is cracking at the welds) & was thinking about it. Also, the VW FAQ recommends the use of Techron. Here in Washington, Chevron gas now has Techron in it. Any thoughts on, whether using the new gas has enough Techron in it to discontinue buying it seperately. Regards Greg Campbell Seattle, Wa 1992 VR6 gregc@eskimo.com From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Fri Jul 28 21:47 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00899; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:47:29 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HTF2Y3RLBK003V9Y@UG.EDS.COM>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA16652 for corrado-l-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:39:57 -0700 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA16637 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:39:53 -0700 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA071492762; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:39:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:39:22 -0400 From: Drbob27@aol.com Subject: Re: Shifting woes survey result Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <950729003920_43258472@aol.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Jan - You listed me as no trouble. I wonder if the reason is that I have the ATA trans (5/89-7/90) as opposed to the AYL (8/90 on)? I always thought it was bad to have the first version, but in this case......? bob From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Aug 2 04:00 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26471; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:00:54 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HTL151STY800563Q@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 03:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id DAA19886 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:54:38 -0700 Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA19879 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:54:34 -0700 Received: from garage.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA14213; Tue, 1 Aug 95 23:59:57 EDT Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 13:36:00 -0400 From: cjh@garage.att.com (Christopher J Hapeman +1 908 224 3226) Subject: Re: Shifting woes survey result Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: teleport.com!corrado-l-owner@research.att.com Cc: corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: <9508020359.AA14213@ig1.att.att.com> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Original-From: garage!cjh (Christopher J Hapeman +1 908 224 3226) Original-To: emsr1!research!teleport.com!corrado-l-owner Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Jan - You listed me as no trouble. I wonder if the reason is that I have the > ATA trans (5/89-7/90) as opposed to the AYL (8/90 on)? I always thought it > was bad to have the first version, but in this case......? me too. christopher hapeman cjh@garage.att.com '90 stage I, moda m1, white g60 From corrado-l-owner@teleport.com Wed Aug 9 17:20 PDT 1995 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17736; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 17:19:59 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01HTVL31IKFK0010RO@UG.EDS.COM>; Wed, 09 Aug 1995 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA10509 for corrado-l-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 17:10:43 -0700 Received: from inet.cml.com (herzog@[199.166.254.6]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA10438 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 17:10:23 -0700 Received: (from herzog@localhost) by inet.cml.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) id UAA08623; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 20:14:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 20:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Jelavic Subject: Re: EXTENDED WARRANTY FOR CORRADO??? In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: FORZA ALESI!! Cc: CORRADO-L@teleport.com Reply-To: corrado-l@teleport.com Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO I wouldn't worry as much about the powertrain as I would about the rest of the car. Here in Canada we have 3 year/60,000 km bumper-to-bumper warranties. The only powertrain problem I've hade with the car is a bad 2nd-gear synchronizer. Everything else is the problem... Regards, Matthew Jelavic 94 Corrado VR6 "Whoever talks about German-solidity is nuts!" From turbotim@mega.megamed.com Tue Jan 23 11:39 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA05554; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:39:26 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from mega.megamed.com (megamed.com) by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I0CJVWV1E80047T8@UG.EDS.COM>; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tim (mega218.megamed.com [199.4.114.218]) by mega.megamed.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA30891 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:36:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:32:56 +0000 From: Tim at ND Subject: Re: FYI - help with answer-reply To: jan@UG.EDS.COM Message-Id: <199601231936.LAA30891@mega.megamed.com> Organization: New Dimensions Ltd. X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is Status: RO > From: "Joe from ND" > To: "Tim at ND" > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:58:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: FYI - help with answer-reply > From: "Tim at ND" > Organization: New Dimensions Ltd. > To: Joe > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:03:45 +0000 > Subject: FYI - help with answer-reply > > When I called Bilstein they did not recommend inserts because of the > car's weight for either the G60 or the SLC (he said that inserts > would work but he seemed rather reluctant to recommend them). The > shafts on the struts are a lot beefier then the inserts (and more > $$$). (Naturally, they also earn more money this way...) I got a > similar responce from Koni... > > Note that the VR6, the top nut is crimped on and you need to either > buy the full struts or used struts with regular top nuts and use > inserts there. > > Additional trivia: Aaron claims that the A-style VWs put a lot of > side loading on shocks thereby wearing them out faster then on other > cars. (to add credence to this claim, the shocks I removed from > several VWs had distinct wear marks on one side of the shaft). > Presumable, a thicker shaft will take longer to wear ==> fewer > warrantee claims? > > I never had problems with inserts (on other cars) either that could > be contributed to being an insert. I did go through 3 sets of > Bilstein BTS-107s (Fronts) on my Scirocco though... they do wear out > (actually, I managed to seize them), but they also come with life > time warrantee.... The shaft is not bigger The piston could be slightly larger but A larger shaft would not change warrantee problems if the shaft wore the seal would leak. A large shaft would be stronger but I have only seen a bent one from accidents... JF Joe from ND **TT** turbotim@newdimensions.com http://www.newdimensions.com From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Apr 1 07:38 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA04869; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:38:08 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I30PLIEYB4002ELL@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 01 Apr 1996 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15126; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:33:41 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA15054 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgs.zgs.com (zgs.com [204.240.227.254]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15028 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgs.com (beast.zgs.com [204.240.227.2]) by zgs.zgs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA29593 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:25:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from fubar by zgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04765; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:35:03 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 09:35:09 +0000 From: Shaun Feakes Subject: Improved Gear change Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: Corrado_Mailing_List:;;;;;@beast.zgs.com;;;;;;;; Reply-To: Shaun Feakes Message-Id: <1996Apr01.093509+0000@fubar> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: BWMail for Windows Version 3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Originating-Host: fubar Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, I finally got round to changing my Gear oil to synthetic over the weekend, Trying to get a better gear change. Well it made it slightly better but not much, but it did get rid of that annoying chattering noise that some people have when the car is in neutral with your foot off the clutch. ( The noise that sounds just like a noisy thrust baring, but obviously it isn't ). So it's worth doing just to get rid of that noise. After this didn't make much difference to the gear change I looked else ware for ideas without wanting to spend $300 or so on Neuspeed short shift kit. Anyway I had spoked to `Nick Snyder` about this problem a few weeks ago and he mentiond something that he had done a long time ago to get a better gear change. This might sound stupid or worthless to some of you out there but beleve me it made one hell of a difference to the gear change on my C. Change the spring in the gear leaver to a stronger one. Simple 5 Minute job that cost me $0.50 . Simpley take off the shift knob & boot, release the retaining washer above the spring that you can now see. Remove the spring. Go down to Sears Hardware match the spring to another one that is stronger, Go home and fit the new spring. It makes putting the car into reverse harder ie you need to push down on the shift knob harder, But who cares about that as long as the shift from 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd improves. Thanks for that one Nick.! I would strongly recomend any person with a cable shift mechanism to try this. If you don't like it you can put it back to stock in 5 minutes and you have lost $0.50 Later, _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shaun Feakes _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ sf@zgs.com _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ 93 Corrado SLC From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Mon Apr 1 08:51 PST 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19099; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:51:23 -0800 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I30S69WS800023D4@UG.EDS.COM>; Mon, 01 Apr 1996 08:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21023; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:46:56 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20940 for corrado-l-outgoing; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgs.zgs.com (zgs.com [204.240.227.254]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20907 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from zgs.com (beast.zgs.com [204.240.227.2]) by zgs.zgs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA00172; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:38:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from fubar by zgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05259; Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:48:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 10:48:18 +0000 From: Shaun Feakes Subject: Re: Improved Gear change Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com To: rhurt@thepoint.net Reply-To: Shaun Feakes Message-Id: <1996Apr01.104818+0000@fubar> X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 X-Mailer: BWMail for Windows Version 3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Originating-Host: fubar Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Now why does a stiffer spring change the way the gear changes? Is the >slop we feel in the shifter itself? Interesting... > The change from 1st to 2nd is the most noticeable, What happenes is when you change you place a little downward pressure as well as pulling the leaver back, this can make the leaver catch it self in the reverse notch then it usually springs back out again and into 2nd, and you don't realy notice what has happened other than it's a noitchy fealing. But sometimes when changing quickley this can make you miss a gear. Have you ever missed 2nd gear when trying to change gear quickley.? The spring keeps the lever high and there for overcomes the above problem. Hope this makes sense. Later, _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shaun Feakes _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ sf@zgs.com _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ 93 Corrado SLC From owner-corrado-l@teleport.com Sun Apr 7 11:37 PDT 1996 Received: from mailer by fshpp1 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15145; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:37:30 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by UG.EDS.COM (PMDF V4.3-10 #4) id <01I39BP8RM000044RG@UG.EDS.COM>; Sun, 07 Apr 1996 11:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22761; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:32:55 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22724 for corrado-l-outgoing; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu (zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.83]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22717 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu by zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.1/2.2) id OAA08861; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: scott nelson Subject: Re: Stop the crunch! In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-corrado-l@teleport.com X-Sender: nelsonsd@zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu To: Carl Scholz Cc: TOlmeda749@aol.com, corrado-l@teleport.com Reply-To: scott nelson Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: JAN@FSHPP1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk Status: RO Again, sound like the typical clutch release probs. The sticking disk scenario is much more common and likely than pilot brg. probs but keep it in mind just in case. If you can swing it, the best thing to do is to start by removing the trans and inspecting the clutch. 1st-- see if it has the anodized hub in the spline area or the bright plated one. Defininiitely replace the clutch assy. if it doesn't have the disk hub w/plated splines. Of course, replace components if they are worn out, scored, have signs of slippage, etc. 2nd--make sure the input splines are cleaned out + lubricate them--I prefer Moly grease for all clutch parts--but not too liberally or the grease will be flung out centrifugally all over everything. Note whether your input shaft seal is leaking. If so, replace. 3rd--check the throwout (release) bearing and check for smoothness and wear on the contact surface. It is standard to replace this bearing w/every clutch job, whether or not it needs it. Clean + lube release arm pivot and contact points. 4th--make sure the pilot bearing feels smooth and that the nose of the shaft where it contacts the bearing is smooth. It is also standard procedure to replace this bearing, just to be safe. Make sure the new one slides onto the shaft smoothly before you install it. Lubricate the inside of the bearing as well (pack a little grease in the end of the crank where the bearing resides so as to provide a source of lubrication for the nose of the input shaft. 5th--if you are replacing clutch components, make sure the flywheel is smooth & w/out hot spots,etc--if not have it machined. Make sure rear main seal isn't leaking--if so, of course replace it. Use a little loctite on the flywheel bolts and torque them to spec. in a cross-wise pattern. If you are interested in upgrades, do them now--i.e., sport/race clutch components, lightening the flywheel (Autotech does it on an exchange basis), Quaife differential, etc. Or, if you have other trans problems such as bad synchros, bearing noises, etc, why not get them taken car of at the same time. Sorry, I guess I got a little carried away on this one--but to dissassemble, clean, lubricate, or replace is the only remedy for the described problems. Scott '90 G60/ Po./VW/Audi/BMW Tech. On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, Carl Scholz wrote: > Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:40:23 -0500 > From: Carl Scholz > To: scott nelson > Cc: TOlmeda749@aol.com, corrado-l@teleport.com > Subject: Re: Stop the crunch! > > At 2:12 AM 4/6/96, scott nelson wrote: > >Again, this sounds indicative maybe of clutch release problems, but a more > >likely scenario is that the input shaft pilot bearing is in effect stuck > >or has " welded" (perhaps not entirely solidly, but at least galled up the > >metal) itself to the input shaft. This could cause enough drag to turn > >the input shaft enough to cause a grind trying to engage rev. and cause it > >to bind up once in reverse, as it is a straight-cut gear. The warmup > >period might be enough to get the get whatever grease is left in the > >bearing flowing, or allow it to expand enough to get free, or whatever, > >but it's quite likely. > > Thanks for the explanation of the cause. Now what's the fix? I have this > problem sometimes as well, though not consistently. And it can happen long > after the car is warmed up (and has been driven for a while). > > Carl > > > > > > >nelsonsd@umich.edu > > > > > >On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 TOlmeda749@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:59:03 -0500 > >> From: TOlmeda749@aol.com > >> To: corrado-l@teleport.com > >> Subject: Re: Stop the crunch! > >> > >> I'm one of the people who gets the 'crunch', and with my car I don't think > >> it's as easy as just shifting into first before reverse. With my C, when I > >> start it, I can't even move the shifter to any of the gears. It'll go in > >> reverse though,and when I move it there, I get the 'crunch', then the > >> shifter's stuck in reverse! Only after letting the car idle for 10 minutes > >> can I start to drive it. Somebody help! > >> > >> Jeff > >> TOlmeda749@aol.com > >> > > >