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No.'s 195-199 : "Saint Johns"
City & Suburban Ry.
Two, City & Suburban or Two, Peckham 14D-3.
Four, GE-58 (37.5 hp)
Two, GE K-6A
National emergency air J
 No. 195 44' 8.5"; No. 196 44' 1.5";
No. 197 44' 2"; No.'s 198-9 43' 1"
7' .75" to 7' 8"
No. 195 39,762 lbs.; No. 196 40,000 lbs.; 
No. 197 39,680 lbs.; No.'s 198-99 39,640 lbs.
No. 195 22 cross, 4 long.; No.'s 196-98 6 long.; No.'s 198-99 8 cross, 2 longitudinal
No. 195 52 passengers (71 with standees)
No.'s 196-97 46 passengers (69 with standees)
No.'s 198-99 50 passengers (71 with standees)
Narrow (42")

Comments:   These narrow gauge interurbans were designed by the City & Suburban Railway for their Saint Johns run after termination of steam dummy service in 1903.  Original numbers were in the 600's but PRL&P changed this when those numbers were assigned to city cars.  When C&S and Portland Railway merged in 1904 these cars were briefly labeled "Portland and Suburban" until it was discovered that name was already being used by a freight company (the new company became Portland Consolidated Railway). 

The Saint Johns cars made up a very loose "series."  It is said they were built one at a time using surplus railroad coach frames originally from the Hammond Co. of San Francisco.  Each car emerged somewhat different from its sisters in seating, length and width.  Photo analysis reveals further features.  A row of metal "buttons" along the side indicates that several of these cars had removable (convertible) side panels, while extra space before the two windows at each end is evidence that this series was originally open platformed.

Retirement:  1933

Technical Notes:  No. 197 was referred to in a 1912 inventory as having been built by Hammond (clerks were possibly fooled by a Hammond nameplate on the frame, but the body was most likely a C&S product).

No.'s 198 and 199 had Peckham 36L trucks in later years.

No.'s 196 and 197 were listed with 4 GE-269A motors in 1922.

Series was rebuilt to one-man in 1927

No. 196 was listed as unserviceable in 1928.

In 1932 No. 196 received trucks from work motor 919 (also ex-C&S) and had motors reduced to two. 

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