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This is my collected wisdom on building an RV.  I know it aint much, but neither is my .....  Use it as you will, but remember it is worth what you paid for it...

This is a lesson in observation.  If you end up with breakfast instead of an airplane, then you didn't pay enough attention to the directions.  Tsk, Tsk..

Corrosion protection/Primer

Aluminum

The most important factor in using aluminum is to understand its corrosion mechanism. Aluminum reacts with the atmosphere (oxygen) and turns into aluminum oxide. This is a white powdery appearing substance that most resembles white mildew. As the layer of aluminum oxide on the surface of some aluminum thickens, the reaction rate slows and eventually stops. The oxide layer is usually described as protective. The oxide layer will always grow in thickness until oxygen is no longer able to penetrate it to react with the underlying aluminum. The reactivity of the aluminum or aluminum alloy, and the conductivity of the environment, determines the rate and thickness of the oxide layer. Pure aluminum is not very reactive and so its oxide layer is very thin, 2024 is very reactive aluminum and its oxide layer will be much thicker. A humid and/or salty environment (near an ocean for instance) is more “conductive” and the oxide layer on aluminum in this environment will be thicker than would occur on aluminum in the hot dry climate of Arizona. It is important to understand that this oxide layer starts to grow whenever the situation allows it, i.e. right after you remove the oxide layer, say in preparation for paint, as the oxide layer begins growing immediately. This means you must not let prepared aluminum sit for very long before you paint it, overnight at the most, or you run the risk of the oxide layer re-growing enough to inhibit the adhesion of the paint.

 

Corrosion

 

Corrosion fixatives

Alodine and anodizing are simply techniques to harden the oxide layer to make it more durable. If you run a fingernail across raw unfinished aluminum you will have scratched through the oxide layer, even if you can’t see the oxide layer, oxygen will have better access to the aluminum under the scratch and more aluminum will react with the oxygen and turn into aluminum oxide. The point is the oxide layer, as a loose powder, is easily penetrated. Alodining puts chromate and xxxxxx in solution with the aluminum and creates an aluminum xxxxxxx compound which is attached to the aluminum rather than sitting on top of the aluminum like the oxide layer. You can scratch through an alodine layer but it is harder to do so and it is very resistant to being rubbed off. So the oxide layer is stable, and non-reactive (inhibits oxygen transfer) despite its being a very thin layer. Since this aluminum-xxxxxxxxxx-oxide layer is an organic compound (is it ???????) it breaks down after some years, 10-20 is typically referenced a the life of an alodined surface. Anodizing however, add more steps to create a harder surface than the alodined surface. This is a very hard surface, more akin to alumina (an extremely hard ceramic made from aluminum-oxide) than aluminum. The coloring that usually accompanies anodizing is simply dye. Some of the anodized techniques result in a porous surface is very receptive to picking up dye particles (interstitially) which are then trapped after the layer is hardened.

Anodized layers to not allow oxygen to permeate through them and they are not conductive and so they are perhaps the ultimate aluminum anti-corrosive measure.

 

Prep

You aren’t scratching the surface to create tooth for the primer or paint, you are mostly trying to remove the oxide layer so the paint can attach to the raw aluminum rather than the oxide layer. The roughening of the surface does add tooth to the surface that increases the paint adhesion but this is just a side benefit. Paint will not stick to aluminum with an oxide layer no matter how rough the surface is. The effect is similar to trying to stick tape to a dusty surface, the tape ends up stuck to the dust and not the surface.

The water break test is the gold standard for this. Details of this technique can be found elsewhere. Chemical etching is another effective way to remove the oxide layer using an acid. All of the acid must be neutralized with water after etching. Self-etching primers have some of the chemical etching acid mixed into the paint. The aluminum must still be clean for self-etchers to perform well as the weak acid used in the primer cannot penetrate oils and other contaminants. I find an extensive solvent wipdown followed with a soap and water scrub results in a beautiful shiney surface that self-etching primers stick to very well. The soap and water is required and must come after the solvent cleaning. Soap is “basic” the chemical opposite of an “acid” also know an a hydroxide (OH). Rinsing your aluminum in a basic solution creates aluminum hydroxides on the surface which increases the reaction with the primer.

 

Primers

Primer is good. Properly applied primer is better. Properly applied primer under paint is best.

Primers really stick to an Alodine surfaces. This is very reliable, and the only way to go if you are using a regular primer (not self-etching). You cannot use regular primer on bare aluminum. It won’t stick for very long, if at all. You can use self-etching primer on properly cleaned aluminum (see above for technique) however, you must get the self-etching for aluminum and not the version of self-etching primer made for steel. The steel self-etching primer does not etch aluminum very well at all.

The Sherwin Williams self-etching wash primer that VANS uses on quick builds is not really a good choice for homebuilders. A wash primer is only an adhesion layer and provides little corrosion protection and it is not very durable. VANS uses it to prevent surface corrosion from forming during the voyage in a shipping container from overseas. If they didn’t, the salt air would cause a visible white oxide layer in a very patchy way on the surfaces both inside and out. The customer would not react well and this is really not the best state for an airplane wing or fusalage to start life. I doubt airplane design engineers, given a choice, would specify a salt air soak as part of the manufacturing process for an airplane. The Sherwin-Williams product protects the surface far more than is needed for the ocean voyage so you get some residual protection, however, it does not approach the protection of non-wash type primers, alodining, and/or paint over primer. Wash primers are also supposed to be top-coated with paint or regular primer withing days of applying the wash primer. If the topcoat is applied months later, then less than optimal adhesion of the topcoat is expected. I am not saying that Sherwin-Williams self-etching wash primer is no-good, I am just pointing out its limitations. I use the stuff myself quit a bit because it is EASY to use and it protects ok . So for an enclosed space that won’t see much, if any moisture and if a little corrosion developed it would compromise the structural integrity of the aircraft, then shoot some S-H wash primer.

 

Alclad

Alclad, the aluminum used in most of an RV, is not magical pixy dust. It is a composite made with a core of 2024 aluminum that has been coated with a thin layer (<.001 inch) of pure aluminum. 2024 is very strong, very light, and very reactive. Pure aluminum 1000 is very weak, very light, and NOT very reactive. However, the pure aluminum will still have an oxide layer as all aluminum must, and this oxide layer can be eaten through in a corrosive environment (humid salty sea air). Scratches will usually penetrate the pure aluminum layer. Many have come to believe that the pure aluminum coating is just as effective a properly primed surface (primer over alodine) and this is not true. The alclad will corrode and can corrode badly, primer cannot corrode unless the primer is compromised. I am not saying that the inside of an airplane must be primed, or that alclad is no good, I am just detailing the actual behavior of aluminum and of coated aluminum. I personally focused on overlaps, and primed the lapping surfaces such as a wing rib flange to wing skin joint. These lap joints trap moisture and dirt and create the ideal conditions for an electrolytic corrosion cell and are where most/all corrosion that is enough to be damaging occurs. As long as I was spraying primer on the flange surfaces I usually found it easy to wave the gun around a little more and put a light layer of primer on any adjacent surfaces.

 

Bending Aluminum

Aluminum is soft in comparison to most metals. It yields in strain and exhibits hysterisis below the yield point. The very non-linear stress strain curve of aluminum reflects this behavior. What this means to you is that if you bend aluminum you stretched it, and the material became thinner in the stretched region. The thinning is where the extra material “created” comes from. The picture attached demonstrates where this becomes a problem. Since a spar is structural bending damage is especially bad and such parts must be discarded rather than repaired. Take heart, as all or part of this part can often be used later in the construction of an aircraft, with the damage area removed. Mounts for ELT’s, antennas, auto-pilot servos, etc… Damage on the edge of a sheet like is shown here xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx are another example of where the stretching must be considered. Attempting to bend this back to straight will not work. The extra material must be dealt with. A large dent can be turned into smaller dents - think about how you dimpled the flanges of ribs to “shorten” the flange, this would be similar. The downside of any further manipulation of this damaged area is that you will be work-hardening the material and a crack will almost certainly develop in this damaged area. Leave the dent and let the painter use filler to make the outside surface smooth and cosmetic.

stretched_alum_flange1.jpg
The rippling is the result of the material stretching

 
 

Empennage

Do the practice kit first and then expect to throw a few parts away before you are done. This is fine as these parts are small and low cost to replace. Except for the skins, protect them to prevent dents.

Accidental punched holes while dimpeling

You WILL “figure-eight” some holes during dimpling. This is piercing a hole with the dimple die next to, or close to, the actual rivet hole you intended to dimple. We then freak out thinking that we have just destroyed the skin and will have to start over. What we don’t realize is that this is just another hole in the airplane. There are lots of holes in an aircraft and they wont cause the wing or tail to fail any more than the hole you just created will. The two thing to consider are fit: will it still fit together ?, and will it crack: is there a burr or sharp inside corner that will start a crack ?. Use two flat dies and flatten the dimple if it interferes with a mating flange. Deburr or drill the hole out larger to create a smooth hole out of two overlapping holes. Add additional rivets on one or both sides of the damaged area if necessary for strength (not necessary in most of the areas that you will make this mistake because the RV’s tend to be over riveted to begin with-consult with an expert if unsure).

 

The instructions

Follow the instructions !!!! If VANS wrote it down, they had a good reason. Everytime I did not read the instructions closely or decided that I had a better order in which to do things I always regretted it. As you get farther in the construction process the less guidance is provided presuming that you come to understand the construction processes and techniques. However, the importance of what instructions they do give increases. Read them carefully and keep several steps ahead of what part you are actually working on.

 

Other materials and VANS

Don’t use pvc pipe from HomeDespot are wiring conduit. This is unnecessary weight and you did not save any money. Buy the corregated vinyl tubing from VANS it works better and weights less and costs the same. VANS prices are competitive on everything. Their focus seems to be to make every possible effort to help you be successful in building one of their aircraft kits. They are not about money or fame just about building good airplanes. This IS why they have become so common in the experimental airplane community.

 

Wings

This is where to spend your quick build dollars if you can. There is a lot of repetitious building in the wings, and the difficulty of the gas tanks, which can stop many a builder. The fusalage is lots of different parts and it starts to go together immediately, versus the wing, which requires lots of repetitive prepatory work before anything is put together.

Protect the spars !!! These are VERY expensive parts. This is one part you don’t want to have to replace.

 

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